Grenade (Smoke?) Discharger

[Sgt Brown]

At a gun show today and came across an #1 with cup discharger. This one was quite different from mine in that the barrel is only about 8-10" long. I remember seeing something like that in Skennerton's book (which is at home and I am in NC) but, if memory serves, it didn't have any wood on it. This one has a forearm & handguard and the muzzle iron with front sight is installed, I would assume specifically so the cup discharger could be attached normally. There are no fittings for the piece to be attached to anything else, like a vehicle.

Any idea what I am looking at?

Tom

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[Peter Laidler]

w'd have a better idea if we were looking at a picture!

[Sgt Brown]

Wish I had a photo to supply. As I said, I was at a gun show. I checked through your articles before I posted but I could find nothing like it.

Again, take a #1 and saw it off to about 8-10 inch barrel length then grind the stock and handguard down so the forend iron can be re-fitted. Attach the cup discharger to that just like a normal #1. No special fittings. No special sights. No wire reinforcement.

Oh yes. The butt socket was stamped as mfg in 1944. Do not believe there was an arsenal marking. Just King's crown and 1944.

Thanks,
Tom

[Alan de Enfield]

It might have been on the old Jouster forum........

I remember a thread on somethig similar - it was a cut down Enfield with a 'cup', apparently (there was a picture posted) it was mounted on armoured vehicles (tanks) and a smoke cannister was fired via a 'pull string'. Only problem was you had to go 'outside' to reload it.

Am I dreaming ?

[Sgt Brown]

Photos of the ones mounted externally on an armoured vehicle can be found in the archives here. Only problem is the ones shown have no wood on them. This piece has full wood and could(?) be shoulder fired.

Kind of a moot point now. The gun show is over and I am heading back to Ohio.

Another point on this piece. Just how would it fall in the world of NFA firearms? Methinks it might be a problem.

Tom

[jmoore]

It would definitely be NFA (SBR). $200 tax stamp and all that goes w/ it. No papers? -Run!

[Mk VII]

Likely this was the picture referred to.

[RJW NZ]

Wish I had a photo to supply. As I said, I was at a gun show. I checked through your articles before I posted but I could find nothing like it.

Again, take a #1 and saw it off to about 8-10 inch barrel length then grind the stock and handguard down so the forend iron can be re-fitted. Attach the cup discharger to that just like a normal #1. No special fittings. No special sights. No wire reinforcement.

Oh yes. The butt socket was stamped as mfg in 1944. Do not believe there was an arsenal marking. Just King's crown and 1944.

Thanks,
Tom

If it had a butt stock etc, any chance it could be a net gun for animal capture?

[breakeyp]

I wonder if what you saw was one of two odd "guns" I saw at the last Louisville SOS show. In my opinion they were made up by somebody and were definitely too short in barrel length. The fellow got the launcher from Springfield Sporters and glued parts of a rifle to the back of it. He also had a very short barrel launcer rilfe with pistol grip stock. All were purported to be prision guns used to launch gas.

[jmoore]

If they USED to OR CAN shoot a cartridge, then NFA! (Could the table have been manned by your friendly neighborhood ATF agent in disguise?)