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    Type 99 values

    I'm looking for a type 99 in good condition with intact mum. I've located one that appears to be all original with matching numbers with a very good bore, better than average stock and has the web strap and bayonet in scabbard. Bayonet number does not match rifle.

    I read elsewhere that a rifle in this condition would be in the $300-$400 range without the sling and bayonet. What would be a safe price to offer for this setup?

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    Japaneseicon type 30 Bayonet serial numbers were not matched to serial numbers of Japanese rifles.
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    What do you mean by "safe price to offer"? It's up to the seller to set a price. Sounds like a good find. Don't be shy, ask him "how much do you want for it?", then take it from there.

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    I should have phrased it better I guess. The rifle is coming up in an auction, an auction that typically sees prices go sky high. Non matching number Mosin Nagant refurb 91/30's for $275 etc.

    If this goes the way they did, I won't be coming home with it. If I have a fair idea of a safe value, I"m willing to go that high, even if it's on the steep side of my budget. I don't expect to see one in the described condition for a while.

    Note I haven't actually seen it so the sellers description may not meet the actual condition of the rifle.

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    It only really matters how much you pay if you intend on reselling it for a profit. Pay as much as you think its worth to YOU. Collecting isn't a particularly logical endevour....

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    It matters how much I pay if I have to recover the funds at some point in the future. I have a good steady income now but who knows what the future will bring, especially in this economy.

    I'm not looking to resell this for profit, if I were, I wouldn't be going to an auction to do so. In my area, you rarely get bargains at auctions, you often get shafted if you are not careful because there are a lot of people with disposable income around here. I'm not one of them.

    I also don't follow gun values much because I'm not in the business of buying and selling, thus my question.

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    Your first post showed that you seemed to have a grasp on rifle values in your "buying sphere". Prices vary markedly at the local level. The other drama is that people buy for different reasons- you may just want a representative example, whilst someone else looking at the very same rifle may be after that particular series, or sling or who knows what? He may very well be prepared to pay rather more just for a single feature of that rifle.

    I'm working 12 days and weekends to afford this hobby, so I'm not exactly a rich guy, just obsessed! I've also taken a beating on things before, it just comes w/ the territory. That's why I say to just put a price in your head that you can be happy with, and don't run over it (much)- don't worry about the other guys.--I miss rather more than I get, but that's fine - the hunt itself is part of the fun!

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    I'm just after a representative example. While I would love to seriously collect rifles, I don't have the cash to do so. I'm just trying to get one rifle from each of the major powers in WWII for now I have the Britishicon and Germanicon and Russianicon and while I don't have a Garandicon which I suppose I should, I have a bolt action US rifle that was used in WWII so I'm satisfied for now.

    I'm having a hard time buying a Carcano, I just don't like them so will probably look for an older WWI rifle from Italyicon.

    I also try to get a bayonet for each rifle so that makes this more appealing in that I wouldn't have to track one down elsewhere.

    I tend to go overboard at auctions, spur of the moment, excitement, etc but I've been very good lately and haven't bought anything that went beyond my preset figure ahead of time. I haven't bought any rifles at auction because of that and this particular auctions history of getting very high prices, but have been able to find several at gun shops for less than what I was willing to pay so on that count I'm very happy.

    I just don't know anything about the Japaneseicon rifles. They have sold but not with an intact Mum. Those without sold at what I would consider a reasonable price but I want one with the mum.

    I'm a fairly cautious type as I've sought advice on several recent purchases here. I don't like going in blind.

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    Sounds like you'll be fine. Don't pay scads extra for the mum, nor the sling at this point. "Real" mum rifles (actual battlefield bringbacks) tend to be in worse condition for some odd reason, so that tends to balance out the lack of the mark on "pretty" rifles.

    Slings? A whole collection can be made just about those! For you, esp. if you intend on some range time, it's not going to add a whole ton of value- its just a very fragile bit that probably needs more attention and ongoing maintenance than the rest of the rifle. (I've seen a bit of rope in a really late rifle add $300+ to its selling price - and it went before it's cheaper ropeless brother sitting on the shelf next to it! That's a little mad to me, even though the rope looked "correct".)

    The bayonet, however, if its roughly the correct vintage as the rifle, can add $75-150 pretty easily. Do some study there before paying the premium, though!

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    I got to handle the rifle today. It is not in near as good of shape as the auction house described in my humble opinion.

    It does have all matching numbers that I can see anyway. Did not take the bolt assembly apart but number was stamped on about a third of the metal parts and all matched.

    It is a Type 99, series 4, 84*** serial number Nagoya with the mum intact. Has the anti-aircraft wings on the sight but no bipod. Stock is fairly clean but the metal has some pitting on the barrel ends and the finish is not that great anywhere else. Bore is shiny, safety functions smoothly, appears operable. butt plate is loose because the screw has worked its way through it and is no longer holding it. Not sure why, did not appear to be rusted away at all, perhaps poor fit.

    The sling is green webbing, I have no idea if it original to the rifle or not but looks like it was made for it. It also appears to be in decent shape, but I didn't have a lot of time to look it over.

    The bayonet is a Type 30 straight quillon and squared pommel Toyoda Jidoshoki Seisakusho (Toyoda Automatic Loom Works) that looks like it was never used. It has what appears to be a wood scabbard and a woven thatch frog.

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