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    Grenzaufsehergewehr (GAG) M1879

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    Grenzaufsehergewehr (GAG) M1879
    Go on, admit you never heard of it - well, at least I hadn't until recently.
    What, you know all about it!!! Then PLLLEEEEASE help me. I have one of these rarities, and I actually rejigged an 11x60R die set and trimmed down some M71 cases so that I could shoot it. The results were quite promising, but the poor thing is a bit bubba-ed. The fore-end cap is missing, and has been replaced by a piece of recycled tin can at some time in the past. Now while this may not have much effect on the accuracy, it looks rougher than even I am prepared to tolerate.

    I have Ball and Olson, and have searched the net, but I cannot find a photo that clearly shows the front end. It must have looked a bit like the M71 cap, but without the bayonet lug.
    Any picture that clearly shows the cap could help me to make a plausible replica!

    Trusting in the wealth of expertise that is available on this forum, I eagerly await replies!

    Patrick

    P.S: for those who do not know what a Grenzaufsehergerwehr is, it could best be described as a Mauser M1871 "lite", using a shortened version of the 11x60R cartridge. About 4000 were made for the Prussian border officials. Not a common item at all!

    Patrick

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    pretty jealous youve got one, been looking for awhile. here is a crappy picture and a link that has some more: http://www.seitengewehr.de/grenzaufs...ehr-M.1879.pdf
    had some really clear pics on my old comp before it crashed. there are some reloading dies out there bu i recall them being very expensive
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    Patrick,

    try it here

    Kuratorium zur Frderung historischer Waffensammlungen

    Those guys are really helpfull and they will connect you to an specialist for that topic. I asked them often with an great success.
    Regards Ulrich

    Nothing is impossible until you've tried it !

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    Thanks to both of you!

    Quote Originally Posted by cyten View Post
    there are some reloading dies out there bu i recall them being very expensive
    That's why I shortened a Lee set. I don't like to pay more for a die set than for the rifle!

    I followed your link. Isn't it just infuriating how many photos you can find that don't quite show the detail you want?
    In fact, your fuzzy photo is very helpful, as I can just about make out the style, with the swept back curve reminiscent of musket front-ends. The distance from the bayonet lug to the foresight blade gives me a known distance from which I can scale the whole thing, and I should be able to bend up something that looks plausible.

    I will also follow up the suggestion from "gunner", but that will take a while.

    Patrick

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    Congratulations Patrick, you are a very lucky guy!!!



    An example of the Border Guards Rifle is almost impossible to find. Will you be posting pictures? Even with the modifications, we would love to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gew8805 View Post
    An example of the Border Guards Rifle is almost impossible to find. Will you be posting pictures? Even with the modifications, we would love to see it.

    Roger, wilco, but I have to put it together again first!

    Patrick

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    would still love to see pix!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyten View Post
    would still love to see pix!
    I have not forgotten, but this project is on the back burner for a couple of months while I do some serious revolver training - the competitions are in March, and it is quite frankly too cold to shoot, but I have no choice if I want to get my score off the floor!

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    would still love to see pics!

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    You'll have to wait a few days. At the moment it is dismantled for a 133-year service!

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