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    Does the Foreend have a serial number matching?

    Does the Foreend have a serial number matching?

    The reason I ask is that it looks like Savage wood to me. I have a Savage I think it is 1943 and the wood is pretty much the same.


    The brightness of the stripes do not come through in these digital pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbox View Post
    Very interesting.

    Here is a rifle that used to be in my collection; a rifle that had completely unknown provenance, but has exactly the same style of serial number as the one in your photos!

    My ex-rifle:

    - Long Branch Mk1 action dated 1942;
    - No standard serial number or inspection marks - no sign of these being linished off;
    - Converted SMLE magazine;
    - Fabricated triggerguard, including front swivel point;
    - Extended butt, factory oil-burnt tiger-stripe finish;
    - Front handguards contain spring studs, apparently as accuracy enhancement.

    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...96923490-1.jpg

    (Sadly, the current owner has apparently tried to "restore" it to "standard" condition.....)
    Asleep at the switch there I was: notice the sling swivel on the guard as per the Model C Trials Rifles. That would suggest a very early piece indeed. Pre-production as others have mentioned.

    Or the guard might have been an orphan used up later, but that seems less likely.

    Although since the rifle was used for target work at some point, perhaps these "EX" rifles remained at the factory and were later "lunch-boxed" or made into "presentation pieces", either for the staff(!) or others.

    Since the wood was obviously hand-selected by someone with access to a lot of it, and is not of the MkI type, that suggests a rifle built up, or at least restocked, at the factory later.

    Interesting that some other "EX" rifles don't have that sling swivel on the guard.
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    I saw two No.4's in a UKicon auction with that type (C Pattern) trigger guard! Was allowed to investigate further and found both were Long Branch Rifles and had the sling swivels brazed on to early Savage Guards, the old wire loop was still visable on the top of the guard. Would C Pattern guards be converted B Pattern or new? Both rifles made there way back from South Africa to the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XL39E1 View Post
    I saw two No.4's in a UKicon auction with that type (C Pattern) trigger guard! Was allowed to investigate further and found both were Long Branch Rifles and had the sling swivels brazed on to early Savage Guards, the old wire loop was still visable on the top of the guard. Would C Pattern guards be converted B Pattern or new? Both rifles made there way back from South Africa to the UK.
    Interesting, and hard to say if those sling swivels were brazed on at Long Branch or somewhere else. It wouldn't make much sense for Savage to have done it, unless they found that easier than making them one piece with the guard, the way RSAF(E) did.

    Were the LB rifles very early ones?

    So many odds and ends must have been lying around these factories when production ended and who knows where it all went. In the case of LB no doubt a lot of it was sitting around into the 50s and even 60s.
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    One was a Savage (12Cxxxx ) and one was a 43 BSA!!!

    ---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:55 PM ----------

    Just checked my info on these! definatly not L.B. i do have a pic somewhere of the triggerguard, will try to post tomorow

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    Quote Originally Posted by XL39E1 View Post
    One was a Savage (12Cxxxx ) and one was a 43 BSA!!!

    ---------- Post added at 08:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:55 PM ----------

    Just checked my info on these! definatly not L.B. i do have a pic somewhere of the triggerguard, will try to post tomorow
    Did you ever find that photo?
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    EX11 up for sale, woodwork sanded and a whopping £3600 price tag!


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    The woodwork has had some time spent upon it in forming the tiger-stripe pattern but it has been done perfectly.
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    EX 11 is set up as a standard Aussie style range rifle No1/No4. The extra sling swivel in front on the trigger guard from the horse days ( No1) or on the main screw depending what you had or needed for the range type slings used. The tiger striping was fairly common addiction on light coloured furniture broke up reflection.

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