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Trials "T" with a "T" stamp on underside of receiver
This must be where they stamped the "T" before moving it to the left side of the receiver or is this not normal? The rifle it self is all matching and never upgraded except to sniper. It's missing the cutoff. Apparently it takes a different cutoff then the early III's as the slot were the end of the cutoff fits into the receiver where the screw goes is narrower as I have one I believe is for the Lee Enfield and it needs a wider slot, Ray
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Last edited by rayg; 09-30-2011 at 04:54 PM.
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That letter T is just a run of work stamp that indicates something to someone but it's not the 'T' telescope indicator. The addition of the letter T was to be marked adjacent or close to the rifle designation in order to indicate its telescope something or other. That's why on some of the earlier trials rifles, it's marked on the butt socket '....adjacent or close to the rifle designation........ Yours was presumable converted before they'd sorted out the sniper nomenclature - and certainly before they'd configured the cheek rest.
The cheek rest was originally designed by the Small Arms School at Hythe to suit the high scoped Pattern '14 sniper rifle rifle.
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It once had a cheek rest on it as there are two screw holes were it had been, I've since replaced the cheek rest. Ray
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No "T" here!
ETA: Well, I'm not quite sure just WHAT the one letter is supposed to be, but it's not like the other rifle shown above.
Last edited by jmoore; 09-30-2011 at 06:07 PM.
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The T on mine sure looks like the standard sniper "T" stamp to me. It appears the same size and style as the ones stamped later on the receiver side not the same size of the other underside receiver stamps. . With nothing formalized early on as far as sniper stamping went in the first snipers, it could be they first tried stamping the underside of the receiver at first. I always thought that type of T stamp was special and used mainly for the snipers.
As none of the trials were converted in order, this could have been one of the very first earlier ones. Anyway. just some of my thoughts, Ray
Last edited by rayg; 09-30-2011 at 07:02 PM.
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If they were using that style "T", as a normal stamp as peter said, they must have adopted later it as a sniper stamp and it's just a coincidence that it is on a sniper, Ray
Last edited by rayg; 10-01-2011 at 06:00 AM.
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Coincidentaly I have another 1944 "T" "less telescope made rifle" that doesn't have a stylized "T"'s on the side of the receiver but it does have a couple of smaller standard style "T"'s on the underside of the barrel in front of the receiver if I remember, which I figured were just a workman's normal stamping. Ray
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Coincidentaly I have another 1944 "T" "less telescope made rifle" that doesn't have a stylized "T"'s on the side of the receiver
Which is as it should be! If Holland's didn't fit a scope, then no "T". If a scope was added later, then a "T" should have been as well. (According to certain relialble source(s)...)
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RayG. Believe me. If I read you right - and forgive me if I don't - and without being harsh....... If you need to indicate a rifles telescopic status, you put the letter T where the Armourers and arms storemen can read it. Close to the rifle designation. Nowhere else and certainly not where it can't be seen
JM's right too. If a sniper rifle came across my bench without the T then I'd mark it
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If they were using that style "T", as a normal stamp as peter said, they must have adopted later it as a sniper stamp and it's just a coincidence that it is on a sniper, Ray
Peter, I understand what you are saying and had added the above later after I thought about what you said to be a sniper stamp it should be were you can see it. And that the stamp just looks like the sniper style stamp but that it was just a regular work stamp. Probably later they decided to use that style as the sniper stamp and then stamped it as you say, where it could be seen on the side of the receiver. At first I though it could be a sniper stamp because it was the same style and looked like one. Ray
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