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    Remington m17

    A guy over here has a Remington M17 for sale serial # 584818.
    What would be the correct date barrel for this please.

    I'm waiting to hear back on the dates etc on the barrel. you never know it could be matching.
    There's still a few of these getting around Australiaicon...of course many, many of the were chopped up for sporters.

    I have a very good condition Eddystone as well with original barrel and the barrel is spotless.

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    june 1918
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    According to the list and chart in "United Statesicon Rifle Model of 1917" by C.S: Ferris, the correlation is not exact enough to pin it down to a single month. But June 1918 appears to be rather too early. All June-18 examples in the list are pre-424xxx (Ferris, P. 85). The range July-September would be more plausible. Please note that I use the word "plausible" not "correct". It all seems to have depended on what the assembler grabbed out of the parts bin.

    Of course, Ferris may be wrong. But in that case it would be appropriate to cite the alternative source.


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    it was just a guess, iv seen more june or 18 barrels on Remingtons, likely they made a lot of barrels in June...
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    Thanks for the replies guys.

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    It has a Remington 9-18 barrel on it.
    So I guess it could be pretty original??.
    Barrel internals are all very good.

    So I think I might grab it, I can get it for $600 AUD.
    Pretty good, most have been going for close to a grand latley.
    I paid $550 for my good Eddystone a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzybear View Post
    So I think I might grab it, I can get it for $600 AUD.
    Pretty good, most have been going for close to a grand latley.
    I paid $550 for my good Eddystone a few years back.
    Theres such thing as a Good Eddystone? Just Kidding my friend, do be careful firing it.. when the Eddystones were made, they werent made with the most TLC (compared to the Winchesters or Remingtons.) Inspect the barrel for any holes/cracks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thotshewas18 View Post
    theres such thing as a good eddystone? Just kidding my friend, do be careful firing it.. When the eddystones were made, they werent made with the most tlc (compared to the winchesters or remingtons.) inspect the barrel for any holes/cracks!
    what???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThotSheWas18 View Post
    Inspect the barrel for any holes/cracks!

    Thanks for the warning! I took a good look at my Eddy, and whaddyaknow - there is a hole in the barrel - all the way down, from end to end!
    Despite this obvious sign of sloppy manufacture and an inspector who must have had his eyes shut when he whacked on the flaming bomb, I have managed to come a respectable BDMP 3rd in Hessen with it. Maybe the TLC that I invested helped a little, who knows?

    OK, joke over, let's get a bit more serious:

    Call it B-S, scuttlebutt, codswallop, hearsay or whatever, according to which flavor of English you prefer, but nobody is helped by the retailing of unfounded prejudice and industrial fairytales that cause unnecessary worry and uncertainty for newcomers. For what follows, do not believe me, but check up with Ferris, Stratton, Poyer, Hatcher etc. as I do not claim to have a photographic memory - and why shouldn't the doubters and knockers do some checking themselves for once?

    1) Even if it pains '03 fans, it was early 1903 Springfields that had trouble with cracked receivers when made, because the factory had not yet mastered the hardening of nickel steel, NOT the M1917.

    2) Even if it pains Winchester fans, it was Winchester, NOT Remington or Eddystone, that had quality trouble with the first P14s.

    3) Cracked M1917 receivers appear to be traceable to overstressing when inserting replacement barrels. ChuckinDenver is our resident expert for this, I believe. I see no reason to be worried about an original M1917 with original barrel in good condition, especially NOT an Eddystone.

    Why especially NOT an Eddystone?
    - Because when they switched over from P14s to M1917s, all 3 factories had experienced production lines with a high productivity, way out in front of Springfield, and a very high rate of parts interchangeability between factories. But Eddystone was a single product factory. They made nothing but P14s, and then nothing but M1917s, They concentrated on one product, without any distraction from other products, achieved the highest productivity of all 3 sources, and I have not yet seen any evidence (as opposed to prejudice) whatsoever to suggest that the quality was any different to the other manufacturers.

    In fact I will now make an extravagant claim, and invite all to prove me wrong through documented statistics, not hearsay:

    Of the 4 manufacturers mentioned, the actual order of quality and reliability over the complete production run of the rifle types mentioned was the exact reverse of popular prejudice, to wit:
    Best - Eddystone
    2nd - Remington
    3rd - Winchester
    Worst - Springfield

    OK hearsay retailers. You have been challenged. Now prove me wrong with documented statistics. But don't take it all too seriously. Keep calm and keep the blood pressure down! Nobody's honor or professional reputation is at stake here! Just please check the sources before shooting me down!

    I eagerly await enlightenment.


    Patrick

    P.S: I have never seen TLC as a parameter in any quality control documents.
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    Since you are loaded with facts and you probably know a Hair more than i do, im not going to try to prove you wrong, but ask you something about the gun. My model M1917 says "Model CF1917" Was it true (and if so why) that certain models were sent back to the factory to be re-built/refurbished? And what is the difference in the proofings CF Vs. OF. Thanks Comrade

    PS, Im not Russianicon. Also Im sure if the Eddystone gunsmiths were flower pickers before they made these rifles they might be built with a little more care. Hnn.. i wonder. Also, how was Eddystone Associated with Remington?

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