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    1898/ffl?

    I am in he process of trading an 1898 Kragicon carbine

    Sn is a 1898 manufacture date. Do I need to go thru or send to a FFL?

    I have searched but am getting confused all I have read says before 1898 , can some one clarify this for me .Thanks ..Pat
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    I think the issue is there were a lot of "1898" Krags which were made long after Dec 31 , 1898 whcih is supposedly the cut off point for antique. So it all comes down to serial numbers, although apparently Krags were not all made in Serial order #, so that is a whole other issue. Poyer's book says 160061 was the end serial in Dec 1898, but he is known to have errors, and says his list is an approximation. Here is the verbage from the BATF site on this topic :

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    What qualifies as an antique firearm?
    Is there a specific license which permits a collector to acquire firearms in interstate commerce?
    Does a collector’s license afford any privileges to the licensee with respect to acquiring or disposing of firearms other than curios or relics in interstate or foreign commerce?
    Does a license as a collector of curio or relic firearms authorize the collector to engage in the business of dealing in curios or relics?
    Since a licensed firearms dealer may legally deal in curio or relic firearms, is there any reason why a dealer would need both a dealer’s license and collector’s license?
    Are licensed collectors required to execute ATF Form 4473 for transactions in curio or relic firearms?
    Are licensed collectors’ transfers of curio or relic firearms subject to the Brady law, including the provision for making background checks on transferees?
    Are licensed collectors required to comply with the requirements that written notification be given to handgun transferees and signs be posted on juvenile handgun possession?
    Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector’s license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?


    Q: What qualifies as an antique firearm?

    As defined in 18 U.S.iconC. § 921(a)(16) the term “antique firearm” means —



    any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
    any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica —
    is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
    uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
    any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term ‘antique firearm’ shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon, which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

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    Play it safe. Use an FFL. Share the costs of the background check. Did you get the Kragicon via a FFL? Then your name is on it.

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    The ATF says the number is 152670 anything over is FFl only.

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