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    Announcement Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2014)

    Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2014)

    A reminder regarding the .22 comp/shoot (introduced last year to run alongside the 100 yds/mtr) at 25/50 yds/mtr please see the bottom of this thread,


    A world wide Milsurp Target competition/shoot, open to all Milsurps members, its not so much a competition but to see how each Milsurp rifle shoot.

    There are many competitions we can't get to or would like to take part in but are sometimes the wrong date, place, time, also the categories may be not for our choice of milsurp, example being a WW1 Milsurp comp, its ok if you have a dated rifle but for someone who may be out that date range then it becomes a bit of a pain.



    It’s a basic comp with minimum rules and it's based on KISS, ( keep it simple stupid)

    Any Milsurp Rifle as issued or in line with the categories listed, common sense will tell you what one.

    Any desired position prone, bench, (standing if it really floats your boat !)

    Sling, or rest of any description, but as it’s a milsurp NO bipod unless it was issued with it.



    The Distance is a 100 mtrs/ 100 yrds, as I would think most can get to a 100 mtr range, whatever corner of the world you are in.

    The ammo is up to the individual, home made. Factory, jacketed, cast etc, its your rifle you decide.

    Categories

    1. Any action Milsurp as issued, with original iron sights. (as issued I mean as the rifle would have been, some of us may of changed wood or a barrel etc, but these must be original items, but the bedding of barrels is also allowed)

    2. Same as above, but any iron sights.

    3. Same as 1, but with scope, any scope permitted.

    4. Open to any converted milsurp, either in Calibre, barrel, any sight, iron or scope and bipod, and this is also for any action, Martini etc…, Semi auto (if your lucky enough to have these in your part of the world) or any Milsurp variant.

    5. Any Black powder (Milsurp) this includes any issued or volunteer rifle.

    6. Any Military trainer (See bottom of this thread regarding for the .22 25/ 50 yds/mtr comp)

    The target will be the PL7 or ISSF target cropped to fit on A4 paper which will enable us all to download and print it at home, or you may produce it to the dimensions as shown and you can put this on a backing target also as to increase the overall size etc for an aiming point. you can have 2ft x 2ft, target if you wish but the centre must be marked with the dimensions below.

    Any colour disc or marker would be allowed, again its up to the shooter, If you want to make the target into a tin hat, colour it yellow, red etc, its up to you, as long as the dimensions are standard.

    Additional aiming points may be used, to compensate the milsurp rifles that have the rear sight starting at 200, 300. mtrs/yrds etc.

    How you manage to get 5 rounds on the target at a 100 mtrs/yrds away is up to you.




    The size is as follows:

    V bull = 25mm
    10 ring = 50mm
    9 ring = 100mm
    8 ring = 150mm
    7 ring = 200mm
    6 ring = 250mm
    5 ring = 300mm




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    For those of you who want the full size target in PDF format ...

    (Click HERE to download target in PDF fie format)


    Post pic of the card on the thread,

    5 shots per card,

    2 cards a year per rifle, and can enter as many rifles in each category,

    The results will be posted at the end of the year, again its up to you, when you want to shoot

    If you are having a good day and want to shoot all cards in one day then no probs, if you want to take part in all six then no worries, all in all common sense and honesty are the two main factors, and of course its meant to be fun, its not about being better than the next man, its what you can do with your Milsurp rifle.

    For anyone with a disability and feel they are up to it, but are unsure, then please contact me.

    The initial idea was to allow us ( forum Members) from all walks of life to shoot in our own time, way, position with our favourite rifles and show what can be done with an old Milsurp, plus its free and no pressure.

    If you looking for gold medals, being carried round in a chair, having free drinks, expect respect and want a book written about you then, I,m sorry to say but this is NOT for you.

    If you have an old Enfield, Mauser, Nagant, Springfield, Ross, Schmidt, etc…… and can hit a barn door, the size of a an A4 bit of paper at 100 mtrs then have a go. if not why not try the .22 comp/shoot below 25yds/mtr or 50 yds/mtr

    comp/shoot runs between Jan -Dec


    Info regarding the .22 comp/shoot 25/50 yds/mtr


    This comp was talked about last year, I had a good response so its based the same as the normal categories listed above, except for category 5 this in the .22 comp/shoot will be open to any comercial .22.

    In the categories above for the 100 yds/mtr comp category 6 is the smallbore or Military trainers, for anyone shooting the .22, please state category 6 and the category that relates to that .22 rifle,

    So it will state 6. and one of the categories below

    1. Any action Milsurp as issued, with original iron sights. (as issued I mean as the rifle would have been, some of us may of changed wood or a barrel etc, but these must be original items, but the bedding of barrels is also allowed)

    2. Same as above, but any iron sights.

    3. Same as 1, but with scope, any scope permitted.

    4. Open to any converted milsurp, bigger shorter barrel, any sight, iron or scope and bipod, and this is also for any action, Martini etc…, Semi auto (if your lucky enough to have these in your part of the world) or any Milsurp variant.

    5. Any sighted comercial rifle. (this is also for any reprodution type Military.22 rifles available)




    So for example, cat 6.2 would be .22 original with a PH site or similar, 6.3 scoped .22 etc....


    Targets

    The target used is the ISSF target used for air pistols at 10 meters, which should be readily available in most countries, if not the link should give you the correct size target


    25 yds/mtr https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....9&d=1357933469


    50yds/mtr https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....0&d=1357933470

    All the same as the 100yds/mtr but a mini version, and I,m sure all the poorest of us can scrape up 5 rounds of .22

    So good shooting and all the best for this year.




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    Just re-read the rules & I would like to ask for clarification on the trainers. I "presume" that centerfire trainers would shoot at 100, but rimfire would be at 25 or 50. I'm just somewhat confused as I have never seen a centerfire trainer.

    PS: I'm glad to see the rule about auxiliary aiming points; my Italianicon VV70/87/15 shoots about a yard high & 14 inches left at 100 yards. Using Kentucky sure is tough!!!

    Anyhow, it looks like I can put up an entry in every class - OH BOY, RANGE TIME!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merle View Post
    Just re-read the rules & I would like to ask for clarification on the trainers. I "presume" that centerfire trainers would shoot at 100, but rimfire would be at 25 or 50. I'm just somewhat confused as I have never seen a centerfire trainer.
    Merle,

    The 100 mtr/yds (cat 6) comp was based on any trainer, like you say some have never seen a centerfire trainer, but here is one I know of, ( a training device rather than a training rifle see link below) there may be other ones out there, as we know most are .22, but someone may be lucky to own one similar to the one in the link etc, so its not just .22 based.

    Just tried to make it open to all milsurps etc, as for rules.... very little, just go out and enjoy it, if you are at one of the stated ranges then stick a target up and see how it goes.

    My range time has been limited recently due to work and family (plus a lot of unexpected DIY) but that's life, but manage to get to the local club a few times a month, I shoot in one of the Leagues on the Rifleman.org site, its a postal comp but I enjoy it and even won a runners up medal in my division, this was the idea behind adding the 25 and 50 mtr/yds etc. Thought it may open a few doors for more Milsurp members.



    http://rifleman.org.uk/Martini_Metford_MT_carbine.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    Merle,

    The 100 mtr/yds (cat 6) comp was based on any trainer, like you say some have never seen a centerfire trainer, but here is one I know of, ( a training device rather than a training rifle see link below) there may be other ones out there, as we know most are .22, but someone may be lucky to own one similar to the one in the link etc, so its not just .22 based.

    Just tried to make it open to all milsurps etc, as for rules.... very little, just go out and enjoy it, if you are at one of the stated ranges then stick a target up and see how it goes.

    My range time has been limited recently due to work and family (plus a lot of unexpected DIY) but that's life, but manage to get to the local club a few times a month, I shoot in one of the Leagues on the Rifleman.org site, its a postal comp but I enjoy it and even won a runners up medal in my division, this was the idea behind adding the 25 and 50 mtr/yds etc. Thought it may open a few doors for more Milsurp members.



    http://rifleman.org.uk/Martini_Metford_MT_carbine.htm


    OK, thanks for the clarification.

    Merle

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    "T" for tuning

    "Pennsyl-Narnia" hit 45 degrees air temp yesterday, so I took my gear and experimental loads out to gather some data. A bright sunny day, vey light breezes, Range was cloaked in snow with few footprints.
    Thought I would turn these into my first entries by imposing the correct target for the photos - 2 for 1! So class 3, a 1945 Shirley scopeless No4Mk1T with B&L 3000 scope.
    Seated at the bench with front bag, sling and lots of layers on the shooter - yellow safety glasses to cut the snow glare.
    The first group was "as out of the safe" - 5 x HXP 1975 to get started ,
    The second target midway down the recipe tests = HXP brass, S&B primer 39g Varget pushing a Sierra 180g BTSP.

    We both deserved a good rub down afterwards with an oily rag!
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    Quote Originally Posted by l1a1 breakdown View Post
    "Pennsyl-Narnia" hit 45 degrees air temp yesterday, so I took my gear and experimental loads out to gather some data. A bright sunny day, vey light breezes, Range was cloaked in snow with few footprints.
    Thought I would turn these into my first entries by imposing the correct target for the photos - 2 for 1! So class 3, a 1945 Shirley scopeless No4Mk1T with B&L 3000 scope.
    Seated at the bench with front bag, sling and lots of layers on the shooter - yellow safety glasses to cut the snow glare.
    The first group was "as out of the safe" - 5 x HXP 1975 to get started ,
    The second target midway down the recipe tests = HXP brass, S&B primer 39g Varget pushing a Sierra 180g BTSP.

    We both deserved a good rub down afterwards with an oily rag!

    Congrats on braving the weather!!!

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    black powder?

    question:

    Italianicon VV70/87/15.
    It was originally a black powder rifle before it was sleeved down to a 6.5 Carcano, so....
    Would this qualify as a black powder gun?

    Thank you

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    cat 1 FR-8

    Greetings,

    Here is my first (and hopefully my worst) entry
    It is a Spanish FR-8, chambered for 7.62 NATO.
    Group was a dismal 10-3/16 inches.
    Shot at 100 yards, off a bench with fore end rest only - no cradle.
    Ammo was a mixed bag of surplus; various arsenals & various years.
    I expect that didn't help me too much, but it was all I could find.
    First time it was out of the safe for several years, so it needed the exercise!


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    cat 2 Swede M38

    Here is my next entry
    It is a Swedishicon M38, chambered for 6.5x55.
    It has a Lyman receiver sight, with a taller after market front sight.
    I added a surplus Swede front sight hood, but I'm not to sure about the origins of the flash suppressor! I've been told those were actually used to catch the wooden bullet fragments and let them burn up. Makes a good story, but who knows.
    Group was at 8-1/8 inches, the hood interfered with getting a good sight picture - too close to the blade so vertical stringing became a problem. Next time - no hood!
    Shot at 100 yards, off a bench with fore end rest only - no cradle.
    Ammo was PPU 139 gr FMJ BT.
    Also first time it was out of the safe for several years, so it needed the exercise!
    Good excuse to get the safe queens out & about!


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