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    I've got an even BETTER idea................. If someone was so stupidly unwise as to tell you that he considered that it was indeed a rifle bolt, you could just say that he was right........ It was a bolt for a .410 shotgun. Or even beter still, one of those No4 converted AIR rifle thinggies........... Anyone remember what they were called now? I'll give you a clue........ The initials were S&P........



    Back to the gauge bolt and reality. I have a feeling that those gauge parts were adapted/calibrated initially by (was it ?) Coventry Tool and Gauge and the bolt was very probably hardened through to give it a better chance of surviving before being accepted by the Ch Insp Armts. I am sure that this'd be the case because you couldn't have a worn out bolt being used as a gauge for er......., another worn out bolt! We had these part gauges for the Vickers and a gauge, Inspectors Piston Post and a Gauge Inspectors gas plug for the Bren too.

    NOW.......... anyone who has one of those (the Gauge, Inspectors, Piston Post will come up against the same problems.............

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    I hope that you don't mean those rifles that were converted to Self-contained Air Cartridges Peter, because they are now Section 5.

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    You're kidding........ Certain rifles now prohibited - as in the same category as machine guns........ Someone MUST be pulling my plonker............. How do they sleep an nights inventing guff like this?

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    I'm sorry to say that all the air cartridge guns went the same way as the air cartridge revolvers after a number of the revolvers were found having been converted to fire .22RF. As to the 'Bolt Gauge' this would never be section 1,2 or 5 unless by fitting it and pulling the trigger you can discharge a round. If it cannot discharge the round it cannot cause any pressure to be created therefore it is NOT a pressure bearing part requiring proofing or a firearms certificate to hold it. Having said that if ithe gauge is made from a bolt that had been proofed and had a proofmark on it you might have some difficulty. A few years ago this would have been no problem. Today I am not so sure as both Police and what were Customs, now UKicon Border Force, are so badly trained and 'Results Driven' that almost anything to do with firearms will cause a fuss. Much of this attitude is due to sensalionalist media driving ignorant MPs into 'Something Must be Done' panic mode.
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    Your reply takes me back to an answer a couple of pages ago. I wonder why the powers that be just didn't prosecute those who converted the air guns into .22" guns. And punish them properly of course......... But a ban, of the blanket variety, is probably easier. Especially if you have enabling legislation in place and all it takes is an order before, well....., whoever.....

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    This wasn't an Order in Council Peter. The then government sneaked it in as part of the Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003.

    Realistic guns were banned in the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. With so many exemptions that people often don't know if they are breaking the law or not.

    And finally, restrictions on who may benefit from Section 58 was redistricted by the Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003.

    How is anyone supposed to keep up with this stuff? All of the recent (post-1997) commandments to the 1968 Firearms Act have been contained in Acts that at first glance are nothing to do with firearms legislation. It is inevitable that ordinary upstanding citizens will get caught out from time to time, sometimes due to their ignorance of the law but sadly also due to the authorities seeing these prosecutions as easy wins. If this persecution of the law-abiding was effective at stopping armed crime, we wouldn't have any by now.

    The saddest thing of the lot is that the US NRA is able to point at the way the law-abiding have been treated in the the UKicon to stifle debate on firearms legislation in the US. BTW, I am not saying that there are ANY easy answers to the situation in the US because genies will not get back in bottles but, in my opinion, there needs to be more informed debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerhunter View Post
    The saddest thing of the lot is that the US NRA is able to point at the way the law-abiding have been treated in the the UKicon to stifle debate on firearms legislation in the US. BTW, I am not saying that there are ANY easy answers to the situation in the US because genies will not get back in bottles but, in my opinion, there needs to be more informed debate.
    What's sad about that, except that "the Mother of the Free" has precious little left herself? UK has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if I'm not mistaken, and of course the most public surveillance to go with it, while being one of the most disarmed.

    Conversely, in the USAicon, every state in the Union which has enacted concealed carry legislation has seen violent crime rates drop, often dramatically. And let's not forget the District of Columbia, a prime example!

    An armed society is not only a polite society, it is a society where thugs often get their comeuppance in a most final and cost-effective manner, where the individual or the physically weak need not spend their lives in fear of the thug or even groups of thugs, knowing they have the means to deal with his kind at their immediate disposal. And surveys of criminals have shown that the one thing they fear and attempt to avoid the most is the armed citizen.
    "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." W.L.S.C..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    1. UKicon has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if I'm not mistaken,ed.

    2. in the USAicon, every state in the Union which has enacted concealed carry legislation has seen violent crime rates drop, often dramatically. And let's not forget the District of Columbia, a prime example!
    1. What constitutes "violent crime varies so much between each state, the numbers are not really comparable.

    2. I was working in Boca Raton in 1997 when Florida's gun laws were declared unconstitutional and struck down, So I remember well the first set of statistics that did indeed support your point and lead to the CCW laws in most States of the Union. However comparing violent crime in the UK with, for example, Florida is apples and oranges. While living there, I was personally too frightened to even visit Miami and was prettified that I would get lost driving to and from the airport. (Two days after I arrived one time a tourist did just that and was murdered for his rental car and watch.)

    This fear, or perhaps paranoia, was not helped by the local evening news on TV which served a daily diet of shootings and violence.

    So, did violent crime drop in Florida when everyone suddenly was able to legally carry a concealed weapon? Yes it did but from a level that most people on in the UK would find hard to comprehend.

    BTW, as to politeness, I agree. Road range is almost unknown compared to the UK but at what price?

    As I said earlier the genie is out of the bottle and they notoriously do not like returning. There are no easy answers to the violence that is part so many ordinary people's lives in the USA but currently any rational debate gets stifled.
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