They were pretty good the Omarks I had one had the bolt pin done and had a 17mm tunnel up front, they were accurate and within the price range of most shooters think I got mine 2nd hand for $90 with sights but re-barreled it with a B44 cannot remember the costs now, every one always liked the Black mountain barrels we shot ADI 308 ammo exclusively no reloads and as said the brass had to go back.