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    Yep. All had a C2 part number. If they're the same ones in that bundle you showed me, they're Bren ones

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    The "correct" for UKicon chests was the MK II B BD 2553 S.A.I.D. 1075 which if I remember correctly is just the MK 2 for the Vickers, Maxim and Lewis introduced in LoC 17581 in 1915. The MkII B was introduced for the Bren in 1938 in LoC B 1526. with the steel bush thing taken off and the the MK V which was a simplified solid T shaped rod BD 9225 D.D.(E) 2686. In reality from what I've seen any long enough .303 compatible rod was used from all sorts of obsolete weapons.

    There's a Rods Twisted Copper Wire MK 2 introduced in LoC 1466 of 1945 , drawing SM 120, that was made for removal of a heavy preservatives from the bore of small arms weapons. It's described as approximately 30 inches long and made of copper wire doubled and twisted for strength with a loop at one end.

    Bizarrely I'm still looking for a MK II rod myself to finish a chest off myself!

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    Sorry, I had that one open too long in editing so lost some stuff.



    The MK 5 rod was later used with UKicon L3 Brownings, I think it was introduced in LoC C1526 of 1944 for the Bren. It cost a little more than half of the MK IIB.

    The MK I twisted copper wire rod C1/BD 2560 was 42" long and of 12 S.W,.G wire and was still listed alongside the Mk2 in the 1953 MG V.A.O.S.

    I think that's it. Oh ignore the last myself, can't edit it out!

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    Most Armourers shops had zillions of each and I still have a couple hanging by my bench. The steel was very good too. Very tough, difficult to machine and cut and springy. I remember that we had to modify some to threaded ends for the L39's, 42's and L7's. But when we got the new hard bronze brushes for them, the brushes were all commercial P-H with........, you've guessed it - a different thread! So the fitters had to make some adaptors to fit the newly threaded UNF rod thread and a mickey mouse thread to take the new P-H hard bronze brushes.

    Now that you know they might be in demand Brian, you ought to up the price a bit.......... Just like the airlines do during the school holidays!

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    Here are some pictures of the gauze which is surprising difficult to capture the change in colour of the metal due to the camera flash. I have pictured it against a red and blue background and you can just about see the difference in colour to the centre of the gauze.

    Were the edges of the gauze case hardened or was the gauze material capable of being hardened and tempered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    Were the edges of the gauze case hardened or was the gauze material capable of being hardened and tempered?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    The edges have been heat treated and quenched, hardening them. This makes the edges very hard for scraping every last ounce of crud from the bore.
    As stated...
    Regards, Jim

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    Sorry, another correction, that's the part number of the MK 2 twisted wire rod, not its drawing number, C1/SM 120.

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    Went onto serve the SLR & SMG admirably as well, in the lid of the tin, surrounded by the metal lip
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    Ah............ Someone please correct me if what I'm going to say now is incorrect, but...... The gauze wasn't meant to be used on the SLR/L1A1 and it remained in the cleaning kit tin by default, being a left-over from the tins use on the No4 rifle where the gauze was sanctioned. On new issues of the tin (and the later plastic ones) the little pocket thing was omitted or un-sweated and removed. You can see where it was removed and painted over - or just left tinned and unpainted. The tins were made by MBCo at Carlisle and Blackburn (MBC and MBB) who also made the similar but un-hinged tobacco tins.

    Gauze............ the final killer of nearly dead barrels. As seen from the photos (thanks for them), the hardened edges. Not a lot of people knew about that. Another bit of useless information

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