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    You can take it from me Glove (your thread 9) that these grips ain't original and never have been. Not in 19whenever it was made nor in 1923. Let's stop this sheer unadulterated nonsense! I don't even believe that these are Italianicon grips either. They wouldn't put up with such dire workmanship! They might have used plastic odds and sods but NOT down to that quality.

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    Is it possible that they were altered from #5 blade or SMG bayonet scales Peter? Do they match those plastic ones?
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    Looking at the black chequered plastic grips on my 1960's U.S. M1917 bayonet, unsurprisingly, they look as if they would fit a 1907 bayonet although the counter-bores/screw holes may need enlarging if you wished to retain the 1907's grip screws. Obviously these plastic grips, on the 1960's U.S. M1917 bayo, are different to the ones pictured in post 1. The plastic grips on the 1907 pictured in post 1 look as if they have been damaged rather than poorly made, perhaps by someone roughly hacking the screw off with a hacksaw because the screw was damaged/corroded.

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    No, I don't think the grips have been replaced in Italyicon; they would have been in wood. This is the bayonet, for the No. 1 Lee-Enfield, produced in Italy:
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    The only information in my possession, on these grips, is these from "Britishicon & Commonwealth Bayonets" by I. Skennertonicon & R. Richardson:
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    Nope, not chopped/butchered No5 grips BAR. Re your thread 14, yopu say that you don't think those abominations of grips were fitted in Italyicon (nor do I), yet in thread 9 you said that they're original as it came from Italy. Can I put my bleedin' obvious hat on and ask whether the same butcher hacking the screws to length also chopped the angular face at the fromt of the grips when he was doing something else. With the greatest of respect to all those who disagree and who undoubtedly know a great deal more about bayonets that I do (in fact I admit to knowing bugger all) those particular grips were made and fitted by a bubba - or as we call them, a butcher!

    Those grips (thread 15) ain't anything like yours. They fit for a start............

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    No, I am not saying the bayonet is original because it comes from Italy, but because it comes from Italianicon Navy, which received it, along with a considerable amount of Lee-Enfield rifles and other material, from Canadaicon as military aid in the '60s.

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    I've had a few 1907's in the past and have seen many but never seen the plastic grip, considering the amount of 1907's made I can't see the need for plastic grips when there would of been an abundance of spare grips after WW1,

    Even the ones that were refinished for the Siamese had wood grips, the only thing they did was to make (very crudely) a metal scabbard to replace the leather one, leather was removed and the metal bits from the original brazed on to the new part, obviously these were not used for ceremonial duties......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    With the greatest of respect to all those who disagree and who undoubtedly know a great deal more about bayonets that I do (in fact I admit to knowing bugger all)
    No-one has suggested that you don't know anything about about bayonets, Peter. All that has been said is that there are some plastic grips about fitted to 1907 bayonets but no-one has yet been able to prove the provenance of these. It is unfortunate that we can't get an online picture of the example held by the Imperial War Museum. I could take the plastic grips off my 1960's M1917 bayonet and fit them to a 1907 to give everyone another example to look at but I'll just take a picture of the 1960's M1917 next to a 1907 bayonet which should suffice.


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