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    Please Help Me Identify Lee-Enfield Rifle

    Hello,

    I have come into possession an Enfield Rifleicon. I was told that it is a 1947 No. 4 Mk. 1 . I would like some help truly identifying what this rifle is. I am not familiar with these rifles, so some insight would be much appreciated.


    I assume these are import markings

    Very faint electro-pencil marks. Appears to say, "No 4 Mk 1 (F) FTR
    749 Y7198 K 1

    M. 47
    1 (unintelligible) 3
    Y71987

    Is this cocking piece common to No 4 Mk 1?


    Pointing arrow

    Serrations on hand guard

    Drilled and tapped holes in the body of the receiver/bolt

    I am not a firearms expert by any means, so any help will be greatly appreciated.



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    "I assume these are import markings" -- yes. century arms.
    FTR - factory thorough repair. british notation for a factory rebuild. the "749" might indicate july of 1949. i can't see ANY of these markings in the picture.
    M47 -- marking of birmingham small arms and indicates the rifle originated in that factory.
    "Is this cocking piece common to No 4 Mk 1?" -- in my humble opinion, no. it was common to early production in 1941, or perhaps 1942, but was abandoned for the more familiar rectangular design. i have a 1941 longbranch and a 4C 1942 savage with the round cocking piece. again early production.
    Pointing arrow -- british acceptance mark, i think....????
    Serrations on hand guard -- there were two styles with the relief and without. no idea of the significance. not sure there is any.
    Drilled and tapped holes in the body of the receiver/bolt -- major bummer!!

    i tried. hope i helped some.

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    The date looks like 1943 to me.

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    Yes, I think it's a M47 1943. The serial is a little odd though. Usually 43 dated BSA rifles bear the 'A plus another letter followed by a four digit number' system, but if the serial was Y followed by four digits it might be consistent with the numbering system used immediately before that - a hangover if you like from the system used during 1941/42. The serial looks like Y7198 to me - there does look to be a possible '7' after, but it looks very shallow & in a different font. If it was Y7198, things would fit into place.

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    Greatly appreciate all the information. I must admit, I had hoped that it would a WWII production rifle. The history associated with such a weapon is plain fascinating to me.

    Another question: Are Lee-Enfield rifles picky with ammunition? My only other rifle is a Garandicon, and I understand that there is some truth to shooting particular ammunition.

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    They are not particularly picky with ammunition as they';re single shot bolt action rifles. They shoot it - or they don't. There's no gas operation to follow the firing o concern you of course. But they ARE picky when it comes to ZEROING or accuracy with some commercial ammo so bear that in mind

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    Single shot bolt action?

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    Yep....., single shot....., one shot at each pull of the trigger and bolt action because you manipulate a bolt to carry out the mechanical action. Am I missing something?

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    In this part of the colonies, a "single-shot" arm is one that lacks a magazine and must therefore be loaded afresh for each shot. We might choose "manually operated" to differentiate from "self-loading" (or "autoloading") magazine arms. Another dubious choice would be "turnbolt" - despite the many autoloaders with bolts that turn. Go figure!

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    That's the trouble with you colonials and those wild antipodeans Para....., lack the refinements found in the peace loving shores of the motherland. A common people divided by a foreign language

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