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    Tippmann Arms M4 22

    Morning all, does anyone have an example of these apparently rather smart and impressive .22lr carbines.

    By the various reports I have read they apparently have exceptional reliability and very acceptable accuracy for the price point.

    I am guessing the excellent reliability is largely down to Tippmanns new design bolt group that fully uses the KISS (keep it simple stupid) design principal.

    Instead of the Spikes/CMMG "Ciener? type" self contained group, Tippmann appear to have massively simplified things by using a simple one piece bolt assembly that fully reciprocates using the buffer.



    It even has a fully functional last round hold open and (largely irrelevant) forward assist.

    The only downside I can see is the lower isn't apparently fully standard AR and can't be used on other AR's and I would like to see a little more barrel information.

    Very tempted, I hope they make a full length A4 build.

    Edit... Just occurred to me the bolt design would easily lend itself to .22 WMR by adding greater mass. A new WMR AR choice would be good.
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    Interesting viewing John, what do they cost here?

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    Morning Gil, around £900 I believe, I haven't had an AR in a few years and these handy little carbines have peaked my interest I have to say.
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    I built one myself and use it regularly. Cheap and accurate, I use mine when there's a novice shooter that will need simple and a confidence builder by hitting golf balls or shotgun shells right away. Just put the red dot on what you want to hit... No recoil and short with the collapsible butt make it perfect for women too... Get a firepail full of mags...
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    Cheers Jim, very smart looking little Carbine, looks like yours has the CMMG bolt group, I had the same in my old Spikes tactical.

    What I find particularly interesting about this Tippmenn M4 is the single piece reciprocating bolt group that uses the buffer tube, as opposed to the CMMG that uses a self contained short stroke bolt group.

    Reported reliability and stoppages appear to be virtually zero.

    My Spikes was very fussy and only truly fed and liked CCI mini mag reliably with low stoppage rates.

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    John,
    I have always marvelled that a variety of .22 work or don't work in certain weapons, but side by side they are identical? CCI seem to work with everything and are probably the cheapest out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    John,
    I have always marvelled that a variety of .22 work or don't work in certain weapons, but side by side they are identical? CCI seem to work with everything and are probably the cheapest out there
    Its odd isn't it Gil, .22 semi's are fickle beasts. The .22 conversion kit in my L1A1 is by far the most reliable semi automatic I have shot to date, failures are very few and far between. It does require HV ammo to shoot well though, Mini Mags work best.

    I think a lot is down to the long bolt travel of the L12A1 bolt group and the large port to chuck out the spent case. I have a feeling the reason the Tippmenn appears to operate so reliably is also down to long bolt travel. The short stroke bolt group in my old Spikes Tactical used to jam spent cases quite often.

    The quality of .22 lr ammo does vary, ever tried Remington Thunderbolt ....They are truly horrible quality ... God knows what the propellant is, smokes like a steam train and covers everything with sooty residue! My best guess would be black powder mixed with curry powder ... Looking at the consistency of the groups, I guess some have way more curry powder than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    The quality of .22 lr ammo does vary, ever tried Remington Thunderbolt ....They are truly horrible quality ... God knows what the propellant is, smokes like a steam train and covers everything with sooty residue! My best guess would be black powder mixed with curry powder ... Looking at the consistency of the groups, I guess some have way more curry powder than others.

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    Well you don't get much of a group either in the dunny after eating to much vindaloo curry do ya Clarky!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Well you don't get much of a group either in the dunny after eating to much vindaloo curry do ya Clarky!!!!
    Never a truer word my friend ... that's probably a better more consistent propellant that Remington use in the Thunderbolt
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