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    Lend Lease Garand markings details

    I tried not to start yet another thread on Lend Lease Garands but Im looking for more info than what is out there. Ive got 5 books on garands and the lend lease info is skimmed over IMO. I know the proofs were put on after the war. Ill start with the sight covers. RCS has a couple videos on youtube ,that you can view in HD, that reveal single numbers or letters on the sight covers. They aren't given direct attention and just happen to be in the shot. Ive observed multiple rifles with "7" or a "P". These seem to show up on the serial block of the lend lease rifles I've been tracking the sales of for a while. I haven't found an explanation for them but for a single mention on a single thread in a forum, but no details. These unmolested, typically original rifles, of the 6 digit variety have this mark often but I haven't seen it on a 6 digit thats out of the lend lease range. Maybe coincidence or chance, I don't know. There seems to be a correlation with Britishicon proofed garands and a marked sight cover.

    Does anyone have a true lend lease with a single number or letter marked sight cover and does anyone have a British proofed garand that is out of the known range with this mark? The being to try to rule out it being a British mark or an American mark

    Next is the British proofed bolts. Ive seen mostly terrible pictures of these british marked bolts. I have a couple bolts with marks and nothing good to see if they are hardness test marks or export marks. Anyone have some pictures of those?
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    I have data on two M1icon rifles that are not Britishicon proof Lend Lease rifles that are in the known Lend Lease serial number range.

    They are s/n 328259 with SA 8-41 barrel and rear sight cover coded L and s/n 329128 with rear cover coded L or 7

    Also have a list that Tony Giacobbe put together of the known codes on rifles from 286331 to 2135758. There is a P coded cover on s/n 543053 (4/42) in this list. Winchester did not use the coded covers

    The coded covers stated in mid 1940 on the flat covers then the indented covers into 1942. RE: the punch used to stamp the bolts soon became worn because of the steel hardness and it is very
    difficult to find a bolt with a readable lend lease punch mark

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    Brit Proofs

    The rifles were supposed to be marked on the barrel, receiver, and bolt lug. The softer barrel steel took the stamps well, but the harder receiver and bolt did not. IIRC the first to be dropped was the bolt. They continued to whack at the receivers, even after the dies were blunted so much that the mark is just a blotch.
    There was nothing in the proof regs about marking the sight cover. Those are US marks that were on there when the rifles went overseas.
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    I had 328219 SA and the mark on the receiver and bolt are as Bob states, just a smash mark. You can't make out a crown. My other LL marks were over the chamber area. The sight cover indeed has a marking, but it's a "Glyph" and really can't be made out. As Bob said, this was a US marking when manufactured. As RCS states, they vary... The problem here in Canadaicon is that so few of these guns actually exist in original form that it's hard to examine one and not find parts changed, no matter how minor.
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    rear sight cover marking

    here is a photo of the type of mark that Jim was talking about (it is from 380931)Attachment 93186

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    Yeah the lack of original Garands in Canadaicon makes this tough. I have 474881 with the "7" on the cover and I've seen 474863 with the same "7" both Britishicon proofed. That and lack of documentation in books is what led me to start looking for more info on this. Bob said they are US marks and RCS says they marked the covers from mid 1940 to sometime in 1942. Is there somewhere that mentions this? Im curious to see more to try and find a beginning and end to these markings. Page 47-48 of Joe poyers book make mention of a punch mark but based on the detail in the rest of the book you'd expect it to mention obvious letters and numbers. Id love to attach a photo here but im not sure how to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    rear sight cover
    The pic of my old gun is just a mark, not even recognizable... Thus I didn't save an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by WW2GURU View Post
    Joe poyers book
    We don't hold that one in very high esteem for info value...

    I can attach a photo if you send it to me via email. Check your pms...
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    From information in Billy Pyle's book, "The Gas Trap Garandicon" plus data sheets of known original rifles, the following sequence is listed:

    The first rear sight covers were marked B-8872 than B 8872 and by Nov 1939, B8872 which lasted to around serial number 59xxx. Replaced by the
    un-marked cover which lasted until Dec 1940 when the indented cover appeared in production.

    Rifles in your 474xxx serial range also have rear sight covers marked 3, J or L

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    Here's his pics now. The markings on his rifle are consistent with an LL rifle, the bashed crown stamp and the small digit/number ion the sight hood. Nice knurled/checkered knobs too... Republic steel lot 5A, Springfield revision 2 on the bolt... All look good. Now about the rest of the rifle in pics...?
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    Heat Code

    We THINK that's Republic but nobody has yet found a list of the codes. There was also a Rotary Electric Steel Company, plus sometimes the code was given to a division of a large company like US Steel. It's really M1icon-Nerdy, but I'd love to see the list of heat codes!
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