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    Quote Originally Posted by ihcfan55 View Post
    The pic is not that great, but the stocks look fine to me. --- GWB

    I'll agree. The pics are not the best for a detailed analysis
    but "from a distance" they look good.
    I honestly would not dare say if the price of $1500 each is good or bad. There is alot that goes into determining the value of a firearm and you really have given very little info to make a sound judgement.
    While you have seen them in hand and know the condition,the pics do not tell us much,for instance:

    Is the wood solid and free of repairs?

    Has the wood been sanded and are there overhang issues anywhere?

    Are ALL parts correct,down to and including screws and pins?

    Are there any rebuild marks on the receiver legs?

    Are the receiver stampings all clear or washed out from an arsenal sandblast/refinish?

    Are the barrel stampings crisp or washed out from blasting/refinish?

    Chamber's in the white?

    Gas pads chromed?

    Bore condition,end readings?

    If your not the CMPicon or one of the few highly regarded dealers/authors then what you need are high quality,close up and in focus pictures of every part and marking. Quality pics,and lots of them,are what sells a good rifle,and what one needs to determine if the rifle is worth the asking price. IMHO,1500 is not unrealistic for a very good quality WW2 rifle,even a restoration,but it is the upper limit so it should'nt have any issues at all.
    http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...nut/SA%2018847

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    Those front handguards look like boyds to me at least on the bottom rifle. There have been many stock cartouche stamps made up and sold on ebay. Those markings look very fresh. If they are saying the stocks are vintage then i would question that.

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    Nice looking pictures M1Rifleut. Your next project should be to build a light box to take pictures in.

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    $1500 each is too much for the scant detail in the pics provided. They may be OK but you can't tell that from the pics provided. Ask seller for more & detailed photos. As stated elsewhere, be particually suspicious of the stocks; many fakes are out there. Make a 3-day inspection period part of the deal. If he declines, then look elsewhere. Get some reference books so you can verify the correctness of the parts. Post pics here (that you take, once you receive them) & let members comment.

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    43 garand

    sn 1969xxx
    rear sight- type 2
    trigger housing 12
    safety 6 w/ hole
    hammer- 3
    follower- 11
    follower arm- no bevel
    follower arm- 3 piece
    bullet guide- solid no cuts
    op rod- 6 uncut
    barrel date- 9-43 no chrome
    solid pin upper band
    narrow base gas cylinder, lock will go to 11 o'clock and will take it back to 6 to lock in place
    bolt-12 flat pin
    hope pictures tell the rest.

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    1944 garand

    sn-2748xxx
    rear sight- type 3
    bolt-12 flat pin
    safety- sa11
    hammer- 7
    follower- 12
    follower are- no bevel
    bullet guide- no cuts
    follower rod- 3 piece long fork
    op rod- uncut 9
    solid pin upper band
    gas cylinder- wide platform
    barrel date- 3-44
    clip latch- appears to be flat end
    gas cylinder lock goes to 9 o'clock, bring down to 6 to lock in place
    lock screw- popet
    the stock has a faint serifed p in the circle and an S in the barrel channel.
    stock furrel has the large hole.
    these are RESTORATIONS which is fine with me and the 44 has sa 2-65 scratched in the leg of the receiver which indicates a rebuild.
    hope the pictures tell the rest of the story if i left anything out. (the barrel is excellent and was refinished to it origional color.

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    Two M1 Rifles

    Rudy like you said these are restoration rifles. 90% of the parts are correct for these rifles some are not. These rifles aren't bad for a restoration but far from being very collectible rifles. Having been rebuilt and reparked will take down the value also. Let me ask you what do you want to do with these M1icon's? If your wanting all correct rifles these are not totally correct. If you want WWII rifles yes they are. In my opinion you can buy better rifles for $1500.00 then what you are getting. Sorry but that is how I feel.

    Do you have any M1's at the present time?

    Can you buy from CMPicon?


    Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by U.S.iconG.I. View Post
    Rudy like you said these are restoration rifles. 90% of the parts are correct for these rifles some are not. These rifles aren't bad for a restoration but far from being very collectible rifles. Having been rebuilt and reparked will take down the value also. Let me ask you what do you want to do with these M1's? If your wanting all correct rifles these are not totally correct. If you want WWII rifles yes they are. In my opinion you can buy better rifles for $1500.00 then what you are getting. Sorry but that is how I feel.

    Do you have any M1's at the present time?

    Can you buy from CMPicon?


    Jeff
    jeff-- i dont understand what you mean by "if i'm wanting all correct rifles they are not totally correct. but, if i want ww2 rifles yes they are."
    as for others-- have a dcm with papers, a 4.2 jlg which is correct, m1d no papers, ihc all correct, sa 45, sa 41, brit lend lease, 42 which needs a emcf stock, and the 2 posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy05 View Post
    jeff-- i dont understand what you mean by "if i'm wanting all correct rifles they are not totally correct. but, if i want ww2 rifles yes they are."
    as for others-- have a dcm with papers, a 4.2 jlg which is correct, m1d no papers, ihc all correct, sa 45, sa 41, brit lend lease, 42 which needs a emcf stock, and the 2 posted.

    Hi Rudy,
    There are rifles that are all original (parts that came with rifle as it was manufactured). These are the most desired Rifles.
    There are correct rifles these are (rifles put back together the way they came off the manufacturing line).
    You can have a all WWII rifle but all the parts are not correct for that serial number.
    The rifles you are looking at don't have all the correct parts for that serial number but they are all WWII parts.
    Does this help explain it?

    Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger View Post
    They look good however the darker of the two looks like it has been dipped in lead and has a repop rear sight knobs. Because of the color differences between the parts I would say they are put-togethers. Hard to tell with the pictures you have posted.
    Had one of those 44MB's a long time ago. Bought it off a friend who got it at a DNR auction, they got it from the Army. Lordy that thing was fun, had to order a replacement cab for it, installed an after market heaterto keep from freezing in the winter time. Hard up for money soon after I got married, so away it went. That thing was built good, used a leather hammer to beat on the wheel wells to loosen up mud that had accumulated, those vacuum windshield wipers too some getting used to. Darn I wish I had been able to keep it!

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