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    7.62 mm Ball Sniper 185 grain from Lapua

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    I'm looking for info concerning this ammo type.



    It's mentioned on the web here: 7.62mm NATO Ball Short Range - British Military Small Arms Ammo . It has no clear article-nr or code or L-Nr. No details for the bullet. Therefore not the D46, not the Scenar-Bullet.. .

    I saw a offering for this ammo recently here in Switzerlandicon. The Box in the same style as for this .308 Win. 167 grs Scenar. I'm really curious. What is this ? :-)

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    In 1954, the 7.62 was still in development. Wasn't "NATO" until 1957. That Lapua stuff is just another commercial .308 load. Lapua stuff is really expensive here. Horrendously over rated as well.
    No Scenar bullets until 1988 at all. Not much Lapua ammo loaded for the commercial market until 1984 either.
    Finlandicon is not part of NATO. So that ammo is not NATO issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    In 1954, the 7.62 was still in development. Wasn't "NATO" until 1957. That Lapua stuff is just another commercial .308 load. Lapua stuff is really expensive here. Horrendously over rated as well.
    No Scenar bullets until 1988 at all. Not much Lapua ammo loaded for the commercial market until 1984 either.
    Finlandicon is not part of NATO. So that ammo is not NATO issue.
    Hello Sunray,

    thanks ! I hope, I understand it correct in this way: So, in principle we have two kinds of 7,62 x 51 mm ammo types and one Typus .308 Winchester. These three cartridges are related. One 7,62 mm has the additive NATO and or an M designation, f. e. M118. Or an L in case of a Britishicon Ammo type, f. e. L42 A3. This is pure military ammo. The other 7,62 mm type has no such additives. Like our Lapua-example. Ammo for the Civilian Market, sometimes probably Surpluses. This example here thus for Great Britain.. .These two types are here rare, indeed.

    Lapua is also really expensive in CH. In the 90's you had to pay for 20 D46 185 grs Match-Round 46 Swissicon Francs, by the way. But, their quality convinced. Overrated in CH, i don't think so.. .

    Do you - or anybody else - have any ballistic data for this ammo ? Or for this bullet type ? Or other information ? That would be great, because this box contents no such information.

    Many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfield Enforcer View Post
    The other 7,62 mm type has no such additives.
    Is the metric measurement. .308 is the inch designation. "M" is U.S. issue, "L" is U.K. issue and "C" is Canadianicon issue... Lapua was used for the Canadian small arms team. We had Hirtenberger Patronen also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Is the metric measurement. .308 is the inch designation. "M" is U.S. issue, "L" is U.K. issue and "C" is Canadianicon issue... Lapua was used for the Canadian small arms team. We had Hirtenberger Patronen also.
    Thanks, Browningautorifle ! Again I learned something..

    In the meantime follows here a picture of the box. It is the Box No. 4 from down.. . I wish a good appetite :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    In 1954, the 7.62 was still in development. Wasn't "NATO" until 1957. That Lapua stuff is just another commercial .308 load. Lapua stuff is really expensive here. Horrendously over rated as well.
    No Scenar bullets until 1988 at all. Not much Lapua ammo loaded for the commercial market until 1984 either.
    Finlandicon is not part of NATO. So that ammo is not NATO issue.
    Overrated Lapua Ammo in your country: to be sure that i understood that correctly: what do you mean exactly herewith ? I could think of an disappointment, but thats just a guess.. .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    In 1954, the 7.62 was still in development. Wasn't "NATO" until 1957. That Lapua stuff is just another commercial .308 load. Lapua stuff is really expensive here. Horrendously over rated as well.
    No Scenar bullets until 1988 at all. Not much Lapua ammo loaded for the commercial market until 1984 either.
    Finlandicon is not part of NATO. So that ammo is not NATO issue.
    Hello,

    I meant this type of ammo, found on this site: 7.62mm NATO Ball Short Range - British Military Small Arms Ammo . The mentioning placed at the bottom.

    In addition, the MOD has at various times purchased 7.62mm "off the peg" ammunition from various European manufacturers without giving "L" numbers, but giving them QV drawing numbers. These numbers were lower and different from ammunition from the same manufacturers who were given "L" numbers.

    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel SS.77" von FN, Belgien
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel NM.60" von Raufoss, Norwegen
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel" von FN <Belgien
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel" von Raufoss. Norwegen
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel" von DAG, Deutschland
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel" von MEN, Deutschland
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel M.963" von FNM, Portugal
    "Runde 7,62 mm Kugel M.80" von OFV, Indien

    "Round 7.62mm Ball Sniper 185 grain" von Lapua. Finnland 🤔

    Has anybody - especially those from us in UK - any information to it ? The ballistic data f.e. MV but also a bit more history would be very welcome ! So far it's just obvious that it's a rare product. I suppose, this is the offering in a special swiss shop I saw a short time ago. The seller had absolutely no information, unfortunately. His company often buys a great quantity of test ammo from weapon producers and offers it often to a very low price.

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