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    CMP 1899 Krag carbine questions?

    This one followed me home. I did not know I was diving into the deep end of the pool.
    Lots of variations, mixed components, mysteries, legends and myths it appears.
    Here is what I have determined so far. Purchased from CMPicon (tag attached). Serial number is firmly in the published 1899 carbine serial number range year of manufacture 1900. Type 3 sights.
    Stock is a modified rifle stock with pinned front band and a crisp 1900 cartouche and firing proof. Front sight is obviously hand crafted. No turned down muzzle for bayonet.
    School rifle? VFW turn in?
    Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    First it is not a carbine. The stock is a rifle stock cut down. The barrel looks to longer then 22 inches and the front sight is a non standard sight. The receiver may be dated 1899 but it is not in the correct carbine configuration.
    Is there a CMPicon certificate with the rifle?

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    I will double check the measurement but a cursory measurement indicated 22". I checked a couple of references which indicate the 28xxxxx
    is in the range of the 1900 carbine production. Not convinced it is a carbine but it would be nice if it is. The stock and front sight are wrong no doubt.
    The good news regardless is I did not pay a lot. The CMPicon dated tag is in place no certificate though. I am going to spring for the $25 to complete the CMP verification.

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    If the receiver is marked Model 1899 Then it started life as a carbine if it is marked Model 1898 (with a serial number falling in 1900 production) then it started life as a rifle. The Model 1899 receiver marking was specific to carbines only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbineer View Post
    If the receiver is marked Model 1899 Then it started life as a carbine if it is marked Model 1898 (with a serial number falling in 1900 production) then it started life as a rifle. The Model 1899 receiver marking was specific to carbines only.
    Sorry I thought I had included this photo.
    Krags seem to have been one of the most messed with (for lack of a better term) rifles out there.
    Very odd piece.
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    It's just been messed with from one end to the other. Nothing right. Bore good? Then maybe a shooter. Is the rear sight marked for "C" carbine? Bet it's a rifle sight too...
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    One explanation could be, if it turns out it did come from the CMPicon, it very well may have been in a VFW or another facility that turned in their firearms. Being it was a carbine and they did not have sling swivels, the stock was removed and this stock was added as is to make carrying easier during ceremonies. Not sure what to say about the front sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    It's just been messed with from one end to the other. Nothing right. Bore good? Then maybe a shooter. Is the rear sight marked for "C" carbine? Bet it's a rifle sight too...
    The bore looks good. Sight not carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1 View Post
    One explanation could be, if it turns out it did come from the CMPicon, it very well may have been in a VFW or another facility that turned in their firearms. Being it was a carbine and they did not have sling swivels, the stock was removed and this stock was added as is to make carrying easier during ceremonies. Not sure what to say about the front sight.
    I think this must be the case. Any opinions on correcting the front sight? The base and blade are available. That is the only thing that is really bothering me.

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    How is the front sight attached? Is it pressed on following the barrel tapper? Are there any pins or screws? Also it could be silver solder on. IF the crown of the barrel loks to be that of a carbine and not cut down, I would remove the front sight and put the correct base on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1 View Post
    How is the front sight attached? Is it pressed on following the barrel tapper? Are there any pins or screws? Also it could be silver solder on. IF the crown of the barrel loks to be that of a carbine and not cut down, I would remove the front sight and put the correct base on it.
    Sight appears to be home grown and pressed on. I hope the recess/dovetail is still usable if so a new appropriate sight is in order.
    Perhaps have a go at shortening the stock to the appropriate length forward of the barrel band.
    The alterations were done long ago obviously by someone with some skill of the shade tree type but not by an armorer.

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