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    No 4 Mk II Irish in wax paper

    Hi everyone,

    Wanting to thin out my collection somewhat, and was wonder about the value of a Fazerkerly No 4 Mk II still in the wax paper. Serial number is UF55 A10xx.

    As far as I know it is perfect inside the paper and cosmolineicon.

    Obviously unfired...



    Estimates?

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    Sorry to be picky, but what's Irish about it?

    According the Charles Stratton, the "Irish contract" rifles were in the range PF 309348-PF 359347. Unfortunately, a ridiculous habit has arisen of calling any No. 4 with a PF number an "Irish contract rifle". The PF numbers ran from 301548 to 411471 and covered export order to all sorts of places. The Irish block was indeed the largest, but by no means all.

    And the final UF series had nothing whatsoever to do with Ireland.

    For a collector, it has an enhanced value as long as it is still in the wrap.
    Which is, of course, absolutely useless for a shooter.
    Once out of the wrap, it is an "extremely low mileage" rifle. And rather more useful for me!

    BTW, the expression "unfired" is another piece of incorrect usage. ALL rifles that left the factory had been tested, and therefore fired. A more correct phrase would be something like "never used in service". A considerable number appear to have been sold over here in Germanyicon, naturally unwrapped, but otherwise as new. I have one, and thank heavens it was unwrapped, as it would otherwise have been unaffordable!

    As to value, as far as I am concerned it is somewhere on the "fruitcake" scale from expensive to mind-boggling. But someone will be able to give you a serious estimate.

    Just don't call it Irish!
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    Two on a dealer's site in the Uk for £1500, haven't sold in at least two years. One for sale in the UKicon secondhand, within the IRISH Contract number range, hardly used, excellent condition hasn't sold for months, price slowly gone down from £1000 to £875 and still not selling.

    It's a buyers market, I would say if you can get $750-£1000 then that's a reasonable sale

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    That's an interesting market development. As I noted in a recent post, good No4 Mk2s are now fetching prices over here that are not much less. Can it be that the "wrap premium" is fading away?

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    I bought my unwrapped unfired Mk2 for $1000... But I really wanted a ‘brand new’ Lee Enfield.

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    The interest in the Lee Enfield is its history - where has it been, who fired it, what battles has it been in ……………. ?????

    I wouldn't thank you for an "unused" Lee Enfield - if I wanted a 'new rifle' there are plenty commercial ones about that are more accurate, lighter, better trigger, and probably cheaper.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    I only have one that I do not shoot as a promise to a guy (Now Dec) I brought it off a 1921 MKIII Lithgowicon & Bayonet serialed to the rifle with pretty much zero rounds through it (Original '21 barrel) as there is no fire cracking in the throat and the bore is nice, I hedge the rounds in my T like we all do and the 1916 but my others are to be shot.
    I liken a 303 that's mummed like buying a Shelby Cobra and sticking it in the lounge ooooing and aaahhhhing over it which defeats its purpose, its meant to be out on the black top letting the ponies go mad people will then go ooooo - aaahhhh

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    Put it on Gunbroker with a buy it now of $1,700.00.
    Then buy me a beer.

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    $1k would be high right now. Prices have dropped



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    Here is one that sold this week on gunbroker.

    Mint RAF Contract Lee-Enfield Mk.2 303 British - Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com : 822965168

    A friend offered me one for a lot less than this auction, but I turned him down. They look great, but have no history and you can't shoot it without reducing it's value.

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