+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 33

Thread: Franken M16 magazines

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Really Senior Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 12:29 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,502
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    01:51 PM

    Franken M16 magazines

    I came across some photos showing the so called "franken" magazines supposedly used in Viet Nam before the 30 round M16icon magazine was issued. The story: the upper part of the M16 magazine has an AK-47 magazine attached, which would provide about 30 rounds of 5,56mm.



    Can anyone provide additional information or photos of examples ?
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    Banner AD Space Available - Click HERE to Inquire Family owned and operated since 1962, Simpson LTD is the largest collector firearms store in the Midwest. Our globally sourced inventory represents many eras, with an emphasis on World War II and our favorite firearm, the Luger, of which we typically have 2,500 in stock.  Inventory changes daily with 10,000 firearms ready to ship; along with accessories, militaria, and hundreds of book titles. We also offer appraisals, consignment services ranging from single items to full collections, and we are one of the most reliable and competitively priced import and export services available.  We do not offer parts or gunsmithing, but we have a little bit of everything else. Visit our website for more information and our new technical video series Speaking Luger, and like Simpson Ltd on Facebook for updates, previews, and more. LIMITED TIME OFFER FROM THE AMERICAN GUNSMITHING INSTITUTE: Get Immediate Online Access To AGI's NEW Armorer's Course for Glock Pistols, Covering Every Generation of Glocks, Including the Latest Model 42/43 and Double Stack Pistols for ONLY $7.00! Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses. Banner AD Space Available - Click HERE to Inquire
     

  3. #2
    Really Senior Member old tanker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 11:32 PM
    Location
    Fort Knox, KY
    Age
    71
    Posts
    236
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    12:51 PM
    Real Name
    Emil
    They were around when I was there. You needed an AK mag, some files and sandpaper, and the sense to never tell your platoon sergeant you have nothing to do. All the ones I saw were simply filed and shaped to friction fit the M16icon mag well, no notch cut for the mag catch. Mag lips were sanded and filed until things worked. No one I knew actually used them except goofing around on a firebase.

  4. The Following 3 Members Say Thank You to old tanker For This Useful Post:


  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #3
    Really Senior Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 12:29 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,502
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    01:51 PM
    Thread Starter
    I have heard and some of the photos are evident that some of these franken magazines used the M16icon magazine as the top section
    and a ground down AK-47 as the bottom part. Now as to what kind of follower is unknown but possibly a modified AK-47 ? It
    would be quite a collectors item if someone brought one back and it was an original modification.

  7. #4
    Really Senior Member Daan Kemp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Last On
    Today @ 12:07 PM
    Location
    Centurion RSA
    Posts
    839
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    07:51 PM
    Real Name
    Daan Kemp
    A good metalworker would be able to weld/solder/etc the M16icon mag to the AK mag, cut off at the top. Adapt the M16 follower to the AK mag spring or the other way aorund. Should need fine tuning but it should work. The platoon sergeant isn't watching is he?

  8. #5
    Advisory Panel Lee Enfield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    Today @ 01:47 PM
    Location
    out there
    Posts
    1,565
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    10:51 AM
    Aluminum m16 mag to steel AK mag ??

  9. #6
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 01:43 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    24,867
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    09:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    Aluminum m16 mag to steel AK mag ?
    Yes, that's always been my question, welding the two together and staying. Seems everyone believes it can happen though... Filing the original to fit? Wouldn't even bother.
    Regards, Jim

  10. #7
    Contributing Member rcathey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last On
    Today @ 12:52 PM
    Location
    St. Louis, MO Area
    Posts
    1,401
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    01:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    Aluminum m16 mag to steel AK mag ??
    Weren't the original waffle mags scrapped due to rust issues? I.e., weren't they steel?

  11. #8
    Really Senior Member old tanker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 11:32 PM
    Location
    Fort Knox, KY
    Age
    71
    Posts
    236
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    12:51 PM
    Real Name
    Emil
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    ... Filing the original to fit? Wouldn't even bother.
    I suspect that is why the few I saw were in the hands of REMFs. But I am certain that the ones I did examine were filed, sanded or ground to a friction fit. The lips were hammered or tweaked in some way to more or less work with the existing AK follower. I can't remember if I ever saw one successfully fired. The best welder in our battalion maintenance section, who could just about weld the wings on mosquito would have had tough time welding aluminum to steel with the equipment available. No MIG, TIG, wirefeed or any of that stuff, basic oxyacetylene or a honking big arc welder was it.

  12. #9
    Contributing Member Flying10uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Last On
    12-29-2020 @ 09:22 PM
    Location
    South West England, United Kingdom
    Posts
    4,004
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    05:51 PM
    I do not believe that it is possible to weld aluminium to steel because aluminium has a melting point of around half that of steel. There are other ways to join aluminium to steel such as using screws, rivets or glue, for example and these methods can be successful if sufficient thought is given and the correct/suitable materials are selected.

  13. #10
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 01:43 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    24,867
    Local Date
    01-24-2021
    Local Time
    09:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by old tanker View Post
    in the hands of REMFs.
    That would make sense, line guys would be in and out. No real time.

    Quote Originally Posted by old tanker View Post
    basic oxyacetylene or a honking big arc welder was it.
    But he could weld your parts back onto the tank...if you broke it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    aluminium has a melting point of around half that of steel.
    Yes, you can melt it with a hot enough burner and cast iron pot. Not so steel...
    Regards, Jim

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Ilongot custom made Franken-rifle
    By Boonie Stomper in forum Japanese Rifles
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-12-2017, 12:46 AM
  2. Franken-FAL Rises Again (In Progress)
    By Mako275 in forum The Restorer's Corner
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-22-2016, 04:48 AM
  3. Replies: 31
    Last Post: 01-19-2014, 01:12 AM
  4. Franken gun part 2
    By sdh1911 in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 03-14-2007, 08:59 PM
  5. Parker Hale, Franken gun
    By sdh1911 in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-19-2007, 01:39 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts