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    If out of curiosity, if I were to build a franken magazine, I would tight swage the M16icon top half of the magazine over a ground down AK magazine

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    If out of curiosity, if I were to build a franken magazine, I would tight swage the M16icon top half of the magazine over a ground down AK magazine
    It would be quite interesting if someone was to actually try this out.

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    Re RCS's comment- The controversy I recall was in the spurious claim by so many wanna-be's that the AK series could shoot our ammunition but not vice versa. Perhaps in the mixup of bores 7.62 by 51 or 39, but in the late 70s and early 80s when I enlisted, this myth reached epic proportions among the US military, as those who used it to claim their bona fides (their PSG did it in Vietnam, foaf stories, you're not cool enough to know, etc etc), while those of us who knew the real deal saw it as the vocabulary of fools who only saw their weapon when they went to the range to qualify.

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    stories about compatable cartridges

    Sometimes a 7,62mm NATO will fire in a Mosin-Nagant rifle.

    Best story was that the US 50 cal BMG cartridge would fire in the Soviet 12.7mm
    machine gun often called the 51 Russianicon in Viet Nam but the Russian round would
    not fire in the 50 cal Browning, of course it is not true but the story continued long
    after the war.

    Photo shows a 55 Boys, 50 Cal BMG and Soviet 12,7mm

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    We too suffered through the stories from the great unknowing about enemy being able to use our such and such but we couldn't...I ended up spending years to quell such stories...
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    We too suffered through the stories from the great unknowing about enemy being able to use our such and such but we couldn't...I ended up spending years to quell such stories...
    Those same stories still come up to this day occasionally. Kinda fun shooting them down though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    same stories still come up
    You think after this last great conflagration, there'd be enough people around that know better...but as mentioned it's like an old hand game. "I know these things"...

    I guess in reality most of the vets have rotated out of line now. Very few serving junior ranks with stars. Less Snr NCOs too...than you'd think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    You think after this last great conflagration, there'd be enough people around that know better...but as mentioned it's like an old hand game. "I know these things"...



    I guess in reality most of the vets have rotated out of line now. Very few serving junior ranks with stars. Less Snr NCOs too...than you'd think.
    We are pretty much at the point now where no one serving even used the previous generations of weapons (except generally the fairly Snr NCOs and officers). My father and uncle were on some of the last infantry battle schools for them (C1, C1 SMG, C2, C5 etc.). That puts the youngest you can be is your late 40s, and even then your exposure would have been fairly limited as they would have only been in service with them for a few years.

    The problem is simply poor information being told by a few, and others taking it as gospel. The good thing is with the internet it is easier than ever to disprove this stuff for them. Most the people being told these falsehoods were mainly told by relatives who were around a while ago (and bought into it then), as opposed to it being shared by leadership.

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    About the only possibility of such a thing happening MIGHT be firing 81mm bombs from "their" 82mm mortar, IF and only IF the base plug / striker were mechanically compatible.

    Not long back, I was talking to a former member of an old unit Mortar Platoon.

    Apparently back in the 1980s, the Mortar platoon took delivery of a substantial number of THREE INCH bombs, new firing tables AND new base plugs.

    Three inch and 81mm use different "striker" types, both on the removable base plug.

    Why were they doing this? Well, this is how it was explained to me:

    The story goes that some blanket-stacker found something like a MILLION 3" bombs stored in a big shed at an out of the way depot. Apparently these (and a lot of other odd stuff) had been stockpiled there ready for the big push into the Japaneseicon Home Islands. Someone must have figured that a bit of portable fire-support might be a good thing.

    So, the system authorized the destruction of all this "stray" ammo in training shoots. New base plugs were made for the 81mm tubes and our jolly mortar-men were off to the races.

    There were, apparently, several problems with this ammo.

    1. There is a "little" bit of breezeway between the 3" bomb and the 81mm tube. This bore "breezeway" meant that a bit of the blast escaped around the not-fully obturated bomb, reducing muzzle velocity, (and range). The "loose" bombs" literally rattled up the bore and started to cause odd wear patterns in the tubes.
    2. The 3" ammo is NOT bore-safe. Once the safety pin on the warhead fuse is removed, if you drop it; there may be an "Earth-shattering" KaBOOM!
    3. SOMETIMES, the initiator / main charge would not ignite.

    These last two are closely linked. If a bomb failed to launch, the "authorized drill" was simple:

    All extraneous personnel disappeared like magic.
    The two lucky "volunteers" from the crew unhitched the base-plug from the base-plate.
    Then the fun part. The "catcher" used a cloth or sandbag to form, essentially, a "mitt".
    The other bloke lifted the base of the tube to let the bomb slide SLOWLY out to be caught in the "mitt".
    The by-now nervous "catcher" would then carry the errant bomb to the "blind" pit, some distance from the firing line, place it gently on the ground and return to his pit.

    Down-range blinds kept the demolitions types amused, as well.

    Back to the 'theirs and ours" story: Does anyone have the details of the "striker" system on the Russianicon 82mm mortar?

    I think it was Mark Twain who said: "It ain’t what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz View Post
    There were, apparently, several problems with this ammo.
    I spent time in Mortar Pl and those stories make my skin crawl...

    Here's a pic of another modified mag with documentation from it's manufacturer... It looks very good too...
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    Regards, Jim

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