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    New Light Carbine Rifle

    Feb 1942 Fort Benning, GA.
    Testing the new light Carbine rifle with attached Trench knife.





    Oct-Nov 1942 the 2 above met LT Col. Edson Raff. Shortly after the visit from First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt to Englandicon the 509th PIR was off to Algeria on Operation Torch.
    You may remember Col. Edson and his home made bayonet.. pictures show him with that bayonet well in to the Algeria campaign.







    Previously noted by fellow member Mark in Rochester:
    Col. Edson had a storied career.....
    http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=34945

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    The first pics looks like a mockup of the carbine too. Looks like he has it taped on. The others look more like the spike with two rings that was tried by some...simple affair.
    Regards, Jim

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    The carbine in the first photo with the taped on knife is just a model and not a real carbine. The modified carbine with the spike bayonet was found to be weak over all and a spike bayonet is not as useful as a blade/knife type. But the mounting idea was later adapted by Howa when they made the carbines for Thailand.

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    20 rd mag

    it seems to have the 20 rd mag as well as no slot for oiler- also no cut in hand guard-I doubt was a mock up made of something not made--I remember reading someplace about the invention of the oiler and slot being done by Winchester engineer after the prototypes winch were done--5?? memory?? I do not remember them having the the oiler cut--the first 20 made by inland had the oiler thing but did not have the cut in hand guard--again memory

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtmr View Post
    it seems to have the 20 rd mag as well as no slot for oiler- also no cut in hand guard-I doubt was a mock up made of something not made
    ????

    What it LOOKS like is a butt from a Red Ryder BB gun. It looks like the whole of the carbine from the front band back was wrapped by cloth. This ain't some scarce carbine, just a handmade bayonet.
    Regards, Jim

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    The Winchester Light Weight Military Rifle 1958

    The Winchester Light Weight Rifle being the final development of the M1icon carbine gas system from Carbine Williams. Nice clean design and chambered for the 224 Winchester

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    Nice clean design and chambered for the 224 Winchester
    Another that I'd like to wring out, I suppose it would resemble the Mini 14 though...
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