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    Can you guys help identify one of my k98k rifles?

    I bought this fairly cheap... Has been an excellent shooter, despite only two matching serial numbers... I have no idea about any back ground history of my rifle, other than Dot 1944 means made in Czechicon republic. The barrel has been replaced and has odd proof marks that I cannot identify. Basically I'd like to know what country put the proof marks on the barrel post war... The stock doesn't look to be a yugo shortened stock and there is no Russianicon capture mark on the rifle... Also, produzce 44 and yugo crest are not present on this rifle... so I'm confused about where it went post ww2... The barrel is the same length as my Russian capture K98kicon... Any help is appreciated. I hope I got the pictures right... I'm using a cell phone and apologies for being short. Thanks for the help.

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    Milsurps I have... bnz 4 K98k (non matching RC.)... Lithgow 1942 SMLE No.1 mk3* (all matching)... dot 1944 K98k (non matching, yugo capture)... 1952 fazakerley No.4 Mk.2 (all matching).... Argentine 1909 mountain carbine (all matching)

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    Why not post a few more pics? It may help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    Why not post a few more pics? It may help.
    Good idea! I will do this tomorrow as the sun is down and my phone takes better pictures in the sunlight. Thanks.
    Milsurps I have... bnz 4 K98k (non matching RC.)... Lithgow 1942 SMLE No.1 mk3* (all matching)... dot 1944 K98k (non matching, yugo capture)... 1952 fazakerley No.4 Mk.2 (all matching).... Argentine 1909 mountain carbine (all matching)

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    It is likely a Czechicon made k98 that was refurbished in yugoslavia with a yugoslavian replacement barrel. It is what they call a m52C. That N looking stamp in the triangle on the barrel is a proof stamp from Enterprise 44 state arsenal (later Zastava) pretty cool piece of history! Most of these were repaired after ww2 and put into storage while domestically produced m48 mausers or older Yugoslavian m1924 mausers updated to the k98 pattern were issued out.
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    Upload of more photos

    More detailed photos of rifle in question. Thanks!!!
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    Milsurps I have... bnz 4 K98k (non matching RC.)... Lithgow 1942 SMLE No.1 mk3* (all matching)... dot 1944 K98k (non matching, yugo capture)... 1952 fazakerley No.4 Mk.2 (all matching).... Argentine 1909 mountain carbine (all matching)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewer View Post
    It is likely a Czechicon made k98 that was refurbished in yugoslavia with a yugoslavian replacement barrel. It is what they call a m52C. That N looking stamp in the triangle on the barrel is a proof stamp from Enterprise 44 state arsenal (later Zastava) pretty cool piece of history! Most of these were repaired after ww2 and put into storage while domestically produced m48 mausers or older Yugoslavian m1924 mausers updated to the k98 pattern were issued out.
    Thanks for that information, I really appreciate it. I've owned this gun for a while and have been puzzled for a while. Thank you again. I have also uploaded more pictures if you're interested in looking at those.
    Milsurps I have... bnz 4 K98k (non matching RC.)... Lithgow 1942 SMLE No.1 mk3* (all matching)... dot 1944 K98k (non matching, yugo capture)... 1952 fazakerley No.4 Mk.2 (all matching).... Argentine 1909 mountain carbine (all matching)

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    You're Welcome. Its a very nice piece of history from ww2 and the cold war. If i understand correctly weapons with a C in the designation identifies it as Germanicon made in the Yugoslav inventory. I could be wrong but that was what i was told.

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    You're Welcome. Its a very nice piece of history from ww2 and the cold war. If i understand correctly weapons with a C in the designation identifies it as Germanicon made in the Yugoslav inventory. I could be wrong but that was what i was told.
    I'm just curious... I understand Czechicon republic in 1944 would've been close to the Eastern front. Do you suppose this could be a yugo capture gun? Or maybe the Yugos just bought some post war for cheap? It's a very interesting gun, I do agree. Interesting to know it served at least two armies in some capacity.
    Milsurps I have... bnz 4 K98k (non matching RC.)... Lithgow 1942 SMLE No.1 mk3* (all matching)... dot 1944 K98k (non matching, yugo capture)... 1952 fazakerley No.4 Mk.2 (all matching).... Argentine 1909 mountain carbine (all matching)

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    Ok I am vastly over simplifying things, plus I am missing a good bit of history in between like King Peter II Vs Tito and so on.

    The Germans invaded Yugoslaviaicon in 1941 and stayed there until the end of the war in may of 1945. So it would not be far fetched to see your 1944 made Mauser in the hands of a Germanicon soldier sent to Yugoslavia as part of the occupation force in 1945. Either by surrender or battlefield pick up, your Mauser found it self property of the Yugoslavs in 1945. Some time after 1952 your Mauser underwent over haul and was put into WWIII storage. However it is interesting that your barrel has been replaced by a locally produced one. If it could talk it would probably have an interesting story.

    Moving on. When the Germans surrendered they left all of their equipment there from their rifles to their canteens and zeltbahns. The Yugoslavians basically stripped them to their shirts and pants and then let them go home unlike the Russians.
    Yugoslavia and the USSR did not have a good relationship after ww2. The government of Yugoslavia went what is loosely called “ The third way.” Which was a softer version of communism with connections, trade and limited travel to the west. This along with the fact the Yugoslavians would not allow the USSR to station troops or build military bases in Yugoslavia soured the relations with the USSR. Tito did not want to hand over power of Yugoslavia to moscow. In retaliation Stalin did not supply them with any cash, arms or support.This is why you don't see Yugoslav used mosins and their air force used American f-84 thunderjets until they got migs in the 1960s after Stalin was long gone.
    So after ww2 with chilly ties with the west and no ties to the USSR and the rest of the eastern block, they recycled everything the Germans left there down to the last zeltbahn button. The German weapons were convenient because they were already using the 8mmJS as their standard cartridge. Along with the weapons they fitted their army with German helmets, zeltbahns, boots and other gear well into the late 1950's and some times even longer. If it is not broken, use it until it is seemed to be their motto.

    Odd fact of the day: The movie Kelly's Heros staring Clint Eastwood was filmed in Yugoslavia. This was because it was one of the few places that had enough German equipment to outfit hundreds of extras as German soldiers.

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    What you need is a copy of Branko Bogdanovic's book, Serbian and Yugoslav Rifles.

    Unfortunately, they tend to be expensive now.

    Serbian and Yugoslav Mauser Rifles: Amazon.co.uk: Branko Bogdanovic: 9781882391356: Books

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