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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill View Post
    My oh my a Sam-T-Bob special. Why the letters on the swivel look sooo fresh. And on the left side of the receiver top are the numbers 09942 is what it looks like. Almost like a Bavarian but I doubt it. But one can rest assured something on it may be from Georgie's private stash of fresh new old parts.
    A local shop owner bought a couple of those replicas which I got to see in person. The nearly $4000 Rockola was hand delivered earlier that day. He was in disbelief as I pointed out all the reproduction parts and what the value actually was. He'd already made a verbal commitment to bid on a currently running IBM, so we looked at it on his computer. The auction stated parts as IBM parts. At that time the now used phrase coded with such-and-such codes wasn't being used--which isn't technically defrauding anyone. But the utilized phrase stated was that the reproduction flip, mag catch, safety, band and swivel were actually proper IBM parts. No, that can't be true. It says right there that they're real. Bid if you want, but those aren't USGI parts. He already gave his word to bid and he really did bid. Your bond can only be broken when the other party properly represents the item. Otherwise there is no contract. Stopped in at that shop last week. I don't expect them to stay open unless the very wealthy owner is willing to bleed money to support his hobby because he isn't a savvy businessman.

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    15 years ago when some guy got another carbine the first order of business was to start taking it apart and being as happy as a clam at high tide over the value of all of the parts. Like Ten says, how many honest carbines were ruined forever. People should have paid more attention to Seth....."Fake"

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    I just bought a barrel. TheI asked the seller to confirm condition. What did I find once I got it:

    The seller milled off the import markings

    The seller handstamped maker markings on the barrel

    Seller reblued part of the barrel even though it was parkerized

    Its a shame...….


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    Just surfing around today and saw a FAKE Irwin Pederson housing. What is looks like was done is they milled off the original makers marking towards the rear restamped with IP and then refinished. Seller is asking close to $800 and the entire housing and his wording is suspect. Pretty sad!

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    There's one out there that's possibly a Winchester housing that's had constructed of two or more housings faked into an IP one.
    I think it was posted on ebay. Possibly a username of Sunrey?
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    An "]interesting article on counterfeiting and how it affects commerce. One take away, retailers like Amazon and Ebay are more interested in their cut. The ONLY counterfeiting they take somewhat seriously is when it involves trademarked brand names from well known brands whose parent companies have lotsa lawyers willing to sue.

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    This one is on Ebay and ends later today......Difference seller in NY and you can see the line of finish difference between the rest of the group.....

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    I know. It's terrible.


    P51Mustang, Grand Rapids housings have that line on the right side. Some more than others. I believe the step down where the trigger pin is was done in a later process. I won't comment on any refinishing.
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