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    Today I went to my local gun shop, aka my pusher...
    They showed me a STG57 and offered it to me for 700€.
    That is a great price!!!
    I know it chews up brass like I like to chew up t-bone steaks. I used it a few times in Switzerlandicon over 20 years ago.
    And so I just dropped the question.
    Now I’m not so sure anymore...
    What shall I do?

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    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Wow- I cant say what I would do for a 700 euro stgw 57. In the US they range from 10-15k US dollars, Unless someone had a fire. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Forget the brass...

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    I have to agree, the brass is available as is cheap enough ball ammo. Buy the gun and salvage the brass out after.
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by speckles View Post
    Wow- I cant say what I would do for a 700 euro stgw 57. In the US they range from 10-15k US dollars, Unless someone had a fire. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Forget the brass...


    K???

    I’m there!
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ovidio View Post
    I’m there!
    Pics after of course...we don't see these much around here.
    Regards, Jim

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    Here she is.
    What an outstanding technical piece of perfection...
    I never thought I’d end up with this rifle, but now it just feels so right here.
    650€. The “pusher” asked me to get it from him asap, so that he could lower the warehouse, so I obliged.
    Payment for my 50th birthday, in March.
    I feel a tad guilty...
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    Nice...let's see you copy that one with a drill press and drawfile.
    Regards, Jim

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    Not easy...
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    I never owned one of those 57s, but I had some very fine years with its "stable-mate" the AMT.

    Softest-shooting 7.62 NATO rifle I have ever fired. Magazines were scarce; mine came with one and I found another several years later. If fed good ammo, it was a flawless performer.

    Yes, the brass cases (NEVER use steel-cased ammo in these), came out with sixteen blackened streaks on them and sometimes a slightly-dented mouth, but a good FLS die in a decent press ironed all that out.

    Case length is CRITICAL. If the neck is above "spec" length, there WILL be tears before bed-time. Chambers and throats are quite tight. Too much neck length means the brass will intrude into the throat / leade section of the chamber and be "taper-crimped" into the bullet, with NOWHERE to go at launch. The consequent back-thrust on the roller-"locked" bolt spikes spectacularly and the bolt opens VERY violently, usually accompanied by a case web / primer-pcket rupture and the bottom (and contents) of the magazine being blown out. Saw a less-fussy AMT owner demonstrate that on a range. Very nasty, indeed.

    In the "good-old-days" here in Oz, I reloaded a LOT of brass that I fed through my AMT and HK-41. Inspect, clean, size, TRIM (and chamfer), re-fill and carry on.

    Because the design has a "different" extraction / ejection system, the brass often seems to leave the rifle BASE first. Until I scored a genuine Case "buffer" for the H&K, all the empties from that rifle would get a bit dented. BOTH systems were built from the ground up to fire MIL_SPEC ammo, not weird squibs or HOT loads. However, they seem pretty tolerant of a 150-ish gn. soft-point hunting load that closely duplicates Ball ballistics. I used both platforms for hunting feral pigs and goats. Not much brass got recovered on those fun trips!

    SiGs are wonderful things; I'm still pining for mine.

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    "Forgotten Weapons" does the PE57 (semi-only) variant of the StG-57:



    The slow-mo shows the interesting ejection.

    The "Swiss" chamber with the "ringed" shoulder is something not found on the 7.62 NATO AMT / SiG 510-4. If the cases are brass, and can be reloaded.....

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