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    No rear sight, no not screwed in all the way. For sure not a .370 bore, it is smaller.

    I think the barrel is a replacement.


    SO, is there any value left? Doesn't sound like a project I am looking to get into. Too much going on with the missing trigger, bolt stop, rear sight & wrong barrel.

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    Probably .303 Britishicon. Be worth something to someone. Where are you located?

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    I live in Macomb Michigan, about half way between Detroit and Port Huron.

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    From Wiki ~ Following was Model 1903 Sporter some of these rifles were made in Hartford, Connecticut, but most (200 units, made from spare parts) were assembled at the brand new fabricating plant in Quebec City. Some of the Pattern 1903 Sporting Rifles were made in the .370 Express calibre, while some prototype chambered for .450/.500 Nitro is known to exist.[15][16]

    Now my skew wiff brain thinks back to the early part of the Britishicon WWI war where they used express rifles to punch or bash out the loop holes of the Germanicon trenches it was not really liked by the troops in the trench given the amount of dust generated by these rifles when they discharged sorta saying here I am.
    The Number 327 could be of military origin so all the parts stayed together for that rifle after checking its serviceability whether they stamped them with the broad arrow don't know.
    May seem fanciful to some here but anything is really possible from 105 years ago!

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    Wrong side of the border for me.

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    327 is most likely the serial number.

    This rifle was built too early to be military, except maybe the donor barrel.

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    Understand the build date Ax but in very early WWI the Britishicon seconded heavy game rifles to belt in the loop holes of the Germans as they were woefully equipped to deal with them and the 303 did not have the juice nor the available A.P round to deal with the said plates, whether they got them from the dominions I am not sure but there would not be the need for say a 400 N.E or say a 370 for that matter on the U.K mainland. Although they may not have told us that elephants wandered around Piccadilly or Hippo's were seen at Cowes near Portsmouth.............in the day!!!!!

    Here's a snippet the Germans discovered in WWI that if they reversed the projectile in the 8mm round so that the base went first it worked as sort of a squish round against the landships the British fielded and effectively penetrated into the crew compartment (well the hot lead core did) even if it was molten and sprayed out it would still upset your day, as the armour was only really boiler plate and not like WWII tank armour plate.
    I cannot remember where I read it or who even first thought of that idea but have not forgotten it, now that really is outside the box.
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    Examples have been found in the the Britishicon trenches of .303 cartridges with the bullets inserted backwards, to aid in the penetration of the light sheet iron used in the Germanicon trenches. I remember reading an article where the author loaded cartridges with the bullets inserted correctly, and reversed. There was virtually no difference in point of impact between the two, but the pressure spike from the bullets loaded backwards was certainly a cause for alarm - approaching or exceeding proof loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_ish View Post
    Looking for help identifying this rifle, also does anybody have parts to get her back up an running?

    I see the early style stamp on the receiver, the serial number 327 is in all sorts of parts and many differences from a model R sporter that I own. This one doesn't have a hole in the bolt handle, the mag well is different, the cocking lever has strong knurling etc.

    Is this the 327th rifle made by Ross or is the apparent serial number on the mag floor plate more realistic?

    Any thought/info would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Understand the build date Ax but in very early WWI the British seconded heavy game rifles to belt in the loop holes of the Germans as they were woefully equipped to deal with them and the 303 did not have the juice nor the available A.P round to deal with the said plates, whether they got them from the dominions I am not sure but there would not be the need for say a 400 N.E or say a 370 for that matter on the U.K mainland. Although they may not have told us that elephants wandered around Piccadilly or Hippo's were seen at Cowes near Portsmouth.............in the day!!!!!

    Here's a snippet the Germans discovered in WWI that if they reversed the projectile in the 8mm round so that the base went first it worked as sort of a squish round against the landships the British fielded and effectively penetrated into the crew compartment (well the hot lead core did) even if it was molten and sprayed out it would still upset your day, as the armour was only really boiler plate and not like WWII tank armour plate.
    I cannot remember where I read it or who even first thought of that idea but have not forgotten it, now that really is outside the box.
    Check "Sniping in Franceicon". Hesketh-Pritchard personally canvassed his fellow affluent sportsmen in Englandicon while on leave to round up DG rifles for use against the Germanicon sniper plates.

    As for the reversed bullet question, I've actually watched it tested (on film). In one of his WWI documentaries, Andy Robertshaw scoffed at the idea, but they loaded a ball round backwards and fired it at a plate that represented the armour of a WWI tank (not very thick.) It blew a clean hole right through it. The regular ball ammo flattened and caused interior spalling, but no hole. I would've bet money against it, but it works. There's a logical scientific explanation, I know, but I can't imagine it.

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