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    I think between allies that working on kit like the 4T there would be certain leeways as it would seem stupid and counter productive to put the troops at risk by not getting the weapons to them to do the business because of a US Property stamping they were in the fight together for a common cause to defeat Germanyicon AGAIN! Sort the rest out later still this has been a real interesting thread. 22Sqdn good luck with finding out "Who dunnit" maybe they left a clue in the butt trap!!!!!!!!

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    Definitely Israel.

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    Just my 2 cents but Savage would not have been paid if the rifle was not accepted for US service. The mark was removed in an FTR over the last roughly 75 plus years time....

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    As already discussed, it's more likely it was removed by the Israelis or a civilian gunsmith, not during FTR in Britishicon/Commonwealth service.

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    What about the 0C1 Savage sniper? Il has the "US Property" filed. (See post # 17):

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    0C1 was converted to a No.4Mk.1T and has the US Property stamp. It hasn’t been filed out but is mostly obscured under the front telescope pad.

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    If Lend Lease came in in February 1941 you might reasonably expect all Savage rifles should bear the US Property stamp, as No4 production didn't get under way until later in 1941. Granted there is always the possibility of the odd 'lunch box' receiver escaping the factory unmarked, but I am totally with Brian in doubting that there were ever any batches of rifles purposely left unstamped.
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    I did not explain myself: I didn't mean to say that the "US Property" dodn't exist on the 0C1 Savage, but that the "US Property" was scrubbed down.

    Breakeyp (post # 17) says: "Even though the former owner (butcher) went happy with a hand grinder, there are traces of the PROPERTY "Y" still visible next to the front mount base."

    Then the "US Property" was scrubbed down before installing the front pad (in my opinion).

    Where was the "US Property" scrubbed down? Outside the Commonwealth? I am doubtful.

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    The US Property mark, (what is still exposed), on Savage No.4's converted to No.4T by Holland and Holland is not ground off or even dressed up. I just looked at two I have here, one a Mk.1 and the other a Mk.1*. Both are legit H&H sniper conversions and both have very legible US Property stamps with only the exposed bit to see because the rest is under the front telescope pad. If the US Property stamp is gone from a Savage No.4, be it early or late production. It WAS removed outside of Britishicon and Commonwealth service. It's just a fact. I'm at a loss as to why folks are convinced it isn't so. All that being said, I think this horse is beaten to death and starting to decay!

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    It's my fault Brian. This is 22SqnRAE's thread. I just mentioned the Savage 4T conversions 'en passant' to illustrate a point, but it's become like the proverbial snowball rolling down hill!

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