+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Kropatschek grenade launcher

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Advisory Panel breakeyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last On
    Today @ 09:45 AM
    Location
    near Detroit Michigan
    Age
    75
    Posts
    927
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM

    Kropatschek grenade launcher

    Does anyone have a picture of the rifle grenade used by Portugal with the 1886 8mm Kropatschek rifle? I have the spigot launcher but have no idea what the projectile looks like.

    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Age
    2010
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Really Senior Member jamie5070's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    12-01-2021 @ 08:49 PM
    Location
    tucson, arizona
    Posts
    501
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    What's a spigot launcher? That would be a nice piece of gear to have.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    Advisory Panel breakeyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last On
    Today @ 09:45 AM
    Location
    near Detroit Michigan
    Age
    75
    Posts
    927
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    Thread Starter

    photos of grenade launcher on rifle

    A spigot launcher has the rifle grenade fitting over the end of the barrel or attachment versus a cup launcher where the grenade sits inside the cup prior to firing.


  6. #4
    Really Senior Member jamie5070's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    12-01-2021 @ 08:49 PM
    Location
    tucson, arizona
    Posts
    501
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    Now there's something else I need that I didn't know existed. Thanks for the pics.

  7. #5
    Advisory Panel green's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    Today @ 12:46 PM
    Posts
    410
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    What era is that from? Looks like a 22mm dia.

  8. #6
    Advisory Panel breakeyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last On
    Today @ 09:45 AM
    Location
    near Detroit Michigan
    Age
    75
    Posts
    927
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    Thread Starter
    The GL has a 28mm diameter spigot and is marked "Steyr / 1886 / 8mm." The only rifle/carbine system it fits is the Steyr manufactured rifle/short rifle / carbine for Portugal. The system was obsolete with in ten years. I always wondered if they had rifle grenades that early and hence I asked here.

  9. #7
    Really Senior Member oldfoneguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Last On
    Today @ 09:59 AM
    Location
    long island, ny
    Posts
    318
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    I've also never seen this grenade launcher for the Kropatschek system. I have a long infantry rifle and a short rifle and would like to get my hands on one of these.

    These tube magazine rifles were obsolete sooner than 10 years. These are Model 1886's and while my long rifle is one of those my short rifle was made in 1889. Sad truth the year my short rifle was made the Belgian Mauser M1889 was introduced these were history. A stripper clip fed smokeless power fired rifle vs a tube magazine fed black powder rifle, no comparison. However Portugal continued to use these as their front line weapon into and during WWI. How under armed those poor guys were facing M98 Mausers with a tube magazine fed black power cloud producing rifle.

  10. #8
    Really Senior Member Eaglelord17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 11:57 AM
    Location
    Sault Ste. Marie, ON
    Posts
    1,187
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by oldfoneguy View Post
    I've also never seen this grenade launcher for the Kropatschek system. I have a long infantry rifle and a short rifle and would like to get my hands on one of these.

    These tube magazine rifles were obsolete sooner than 10 years. These are Model 1886's and while my long rifle is one of those my short rifle was made in 1889. Sad truth the year my short rifle was made the Belgian Mauser M1889 was introduced these were history. A stripper clip fed smokeless power fired rifle vs a tube magazine fed black powder rifle, no comparison. However Portugal continued to use these as their front line weapon into and during WWI. How under armed those poor guys were facing M98 Mausers with a tube magazine fed black power cloud producing rifle.
    Yes the Kropatchek was in use in WWI, but don't forget the M1904 Mauser-Vergueros in 6.5x58 were also in use as well (also the 1896 Mannlicher short rifles too). They also weren't using black powder rounds in WWI for these rifles, they were using smokeless loadings of the same cartridge. The guys they were also facing off against were mostly equipped with Mauser 71/84s and Commission Gewehr 88s (plus whatever else they were taking along the way as they didn't have any real resupply system other than looting from the enemy).

    What shocks me about this is the fact the action is strong enough for a rifle grenade. I never considered the possibility of one existing simply because it never occurred to me the action might be able to withstand the pressures involved.

  11. #9
    Really Senior Member oldfoneguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Last On
    Today @ 09:59 AM
    Location
    long island, ny
    Posts
    318
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    You know I never considered that. A 2 piece bolt with no locking lugs just the bolt root. Those had to have been some short range low power grenades.

  12. #10
    Advisory Panel breakeyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Last On
    Today @ 09:45 AM
    Location
    near Detroit Michigan
    Age
    75
    Posts
    927
    Local Date
    12-03-2021
    Local Time
    11:53 AM
    Thread Starter
    Possibly the reason we don't see these is that they failed in testing for the reasons discussed. The barrel of this launcher is hand engraved "No. - 10." I bought it a Knob Creek at the IMA table. I have assumed it came from the Nepal lot. This may not be correct.

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Grenade launcher
    By Gnr527 in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-14-2015, 04:59 PM
  2. No 5 Mk 1 Grenade Launcher?
    By HOOKED ON HISTORY in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 09-26-2015, 05:21 PM
  3. grenade launcher
    By RCS in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-08-2011, 12:56 AM
  4. Grenade launcher
    By 69 Stang in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-28-2009, 02:28 PM
  5. U.S Rifle M-1 Garand WITH Grenade launcher & dummy rifle Grenade (Valley Guns)
    By Badger in forum Commercial Auction and Sale "Gossip"
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-25-2007, 02:11 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts