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    Numbers rising in big jumps now as to numbers of deaths but this is supposed to be because of the timeline of the infections and is supposed to peak and decrease in a matter of days.

    Went on my Walmart run this morning. They are required to limit the number of people in the store at any one time. I was 116 out of an allowed 1200 so nowhere near max. Margarine was all gone. Butter was low. Eggs were plentiful but more expensive. Meat was low. Most crackers, canned goods, boxed items were plentiful except for the specific types my wife sent me to get. Several of those were gone. I guess we like popular foods. They did not stock the new movies for the week which is the reason I picked Tuesday as shopping day. Not happy about that as it will require a second trip or we'll just wait till next Tuesday. They had the racks ready, just no movies. What aggravated me was that even though we are to be wearing masks now, only about a quarter of the people were, including the employees. Also saw a construction company working on non-emergency work on a house with three trucks present meaning multiple employees. This is not allowed at present and hasn't been for three weeks. Neighbors grandson (teen) was also visiting his 65+ grandparents. So a large percentage still are not taking this seriously.

    NY still leads the country by a wide margin in total cases and deaths. As a comparison, NY has 138,863 cases to PA's 14,559 and NY has 5489 deaths to 240 in PA. NY is #4 in population with 19,453,561 people and PA is #5 with 12,801,989 and we are neighboring states so neither location nor population alone accounts for the massive differences. NY waited too long to act and acted poorly when they finally did.

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    Steve, I feel for you guys.
    Here, right now, it looks like we’re reaching the top of the curve and might very well be already looking down to an end of it. How far, noone knows, but the numbers start to be encouraging.
    NY seems like our Lombardy, with the very big difference that Lombardy has been struck by surprise. NY had time. But did not act... And now they try to blame others.
    Margarine is not healthy, so get butter. Tastes better and is better
    Since the times are somewhat particular, I’m sure your wife will overlook the fact that you did not get all the specific types of food Or products she sent you for.
    What makes me think most is the failure to wear masks by the personnel in the shops. Until a couple days ago, here customers were not forced to, but I haven’t seen a single employee in any shop or supermarket not wearing mask and gloves. Since the first days of this sh...it.
    Also the fact that people still do not recognize the gravity of the situation makes me wonder a lot.
    It is probably some kind of mechanism in our heads, that tries to deny we’re in troubled waters beyond our control.
    I’ll admit that I really hate this feeling, but I can’t get myself to such a point where I refuse reality.
    We need to get the soldier out of ourselves. Obeying, and always ready.
    Some may think people such as us are poor fools, but in my view, we’re the ones upon I would rely. Not others.
    Some friends are really starting to suffer because of the economic situation. Independent workers, in the soviet republic of Italyicon, are considered the enemy of the “people”, and, even in such dire times, as such they are treated.
    That strikes a very sensitive chord in my soul, because it is the fruit of a poisoned ideology, but it doesn’t seem to be somehow treatable... Maybe lead poisoning...but that is not allowed.
    For what concerns me, I’m bored beyond bearability. I usually make 7km on my treadmill, but today I just could not stand the idea of playing the hamster and just decided to walk that distance in front of my home’s outer fence. Up and down it is 70 metres....
    I walked almost 8 kms...
    This is one of the reasons I feel for you most.
    There comes a moment where you just want someone to step up and say something to cling to...like: people, you have to hold on for two more months, then it’ll all be over. You could just swallow it and look forward.
    But we keep getting contradicting information, and that is killing us.
    More and more people just stopped obeying...
    So, I wish you all the best, Keep positive and look forward to the exit.
    34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini

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    I expect most Americans have a different way of looking at things. For instance, here in PA, the total number of people that have tested positive for the virus is .1%. That's 1 out of 1000 people. It's kind of hard getting excited about such a small number and probably why there is a general lack of compliance with the masks, etc. We are social distancing, that's been done very well here. Not in NYC where they continue to ride the subways in crowded cars however.

    And while we will probably surpass Italyicon in number of deaths, no one here other than the politicians really care. And I'm serious about that. 60,000 Americans die from the flu every year. That's what we put things like this into perspective of.

    Not trying to make light of the deaths but 170,000 die in this country from accidents. Falling down the stairs, traffic accident, drowning in the bathtub.

    Expectations continue to decline for this. Latest i heard today was 50,000, maybe less. Granted that's because of the extreme measures put in place but it's way below the high end of 2 millions if nothing was done and the 200,000 predicted just last week. People here are ready to go back to normal and I expect things will reopen for good or bad at the end of the month. There will be some modifications, I expect the elderly will be quarantined as well as the most vulnerable. But everyone else will be back to work the restaurants open, etc. Only thing I see stopping that is if it suddenly starts affecting the general population in the same manner it is the elderly.

    I learned today that the CDC has instructed hospitals to list COVID-19 as cause of death if it is even suspected of contributing to someones death. No confirmation by testing required. So anyone with a cough that dies is listed as COVID. Kind of inflates the numbers a bit.

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    April 7th, Northern Eastern Ohio, USAicon.

    -Location: A suburb of 32,000 near Cleveland. Ten miles south of Lake Erie.

    -Weather: It is Spring. Trees are showing buds and the annuals are up and the grass is greening. Still cool and wet. People out running, walking dogs etc. Too early for any yard clean up. Heat is still on. Still too cold to go to the outdoor ranges but I am itching to go.

    -Infection/Death Info:
    -USA population: 330 million 390,414 cases 12,474 deaths
    -Ohio: population 11.7 million 4,350 cases 167 deaths
    -My county: population 1.24 million 911 cases 19 deaths
    -My city: population 32,000 14-21 cases deaths n/a

    -Ohio: The State of Ohio took the following measures.
    -March 12th: Closed schools K-12
    -March 15th: Closed all restaurants and bars. Take out service allowed.
    -March 17th: Primary Election re-scheduled to June 2nd.
    -March 23rd: Stay at home order issued. Dentist closed except for emergency treatment. Hospitals cancelled all elective procedures. Barber shop closed. Many people working from home or on a short staff rotation schedule.

    -Services: All utilities, mail, UPS/FedEX 100%.

    -Stores: Non-essential stores closed but most have some type of curb side ordering and pick-up service. Grocery, liquor, gas, auto repair etc open with reduced hours at some and 6 foot social distancing policy in place. My grocery store and gas station installed clear sheets of plastic between the cashier and customer.

    -Inventory levels: Grocery store had spot outages of some items early on. Panic buying and people purchasing several weeks worth in one trip. Bleach, hand gel and wipes sold out when I was at the store last week. Inventory comes in and goes out again. Plenty of stock over all now.

    -Face Masks. Has not been required yet. Was out this AM at a bakery and gas station for a quick milk pick-up and saw only one customer in a mask. Retail staff in gloves and no masks.

    -Gas: Noticeable drop in auto traffic. Gas prices dropping almost daily. During the Trump years gas prices have declined. As I recall the price of gas in Feb was approx $2.28/US gal inc all taxes. A US gal is 3.78 liters. Sunday the price was $1.60. Today it is $1.54/gal (lowest octane). Would like to stock up at this low price but how much gas should you keep in your garage? In my mind 15 gals in gas cans is about all I want to keep. Our gas has alcohol added to it so it does not store very long anyway.

    -Morale: Over all positive and up beat. Fear of personal sickness or death seems to be low. Most are being cautious. Human kindness reflected by reaching out to check up on neighbors and friends. Concern on when things will get back to normal. My circle seems to think another 4-6 weeks of the current stay at home policies with a slow return to "normal" by Fall.

    Heroic: Doctors, nurses, medical staff/support personnel. Police, fire, truckers and distribution services, utilities workers. A big salute to you all. A special salute to retail and grocery workers who "did not sign up for this sh.." but get in the trenches every day to keep us supplied. Many thanks.

    Thumbs Down Group: Better not.......

    Economic: Concern for people who have been laid off without pay. Small businesses and restaurants that might not survive. Concern on how long the economy will take to recover.
    Hope that the rate of suicide and depression does not increase because of economic hardship.

    Weight Gain: If you eat out of boredom you will gain a lot of weight. That sounds kind of sick really. The western world is worrying about weight gain during a pandemic!

    China: The big question; Did they do this on purpose? How do we start pulling back from China key industries to the US or other friendly countries?

    Long Term: My opinion.
    -Hand shakes may be a thing of the past.
    -The previous close personal space of 2-3 feet may grow to 5-8 feet.
    -Face masks in public may become common in North America, UKicon and Europe like they have been in Japanicon and China.
    -Less of a just in time purchasing mentality. People may now start to think about keeping larger inventories of basic items incase the stores run out during the next panic buying event.
    -Preppers are not so nutty looking now.
    -Once the infection and death rate drops and warmer weather arrives good luck with the stay at home order. People will be out and about and care free after the winter months and the flu BS.

    Big Thanks: Big Thanks to my Dentist Dr. C and the dental tech who came into the office today to treat me on an emergency basis. Heartfelt thanks.

    Prayers: Prayers for the sick and grieving and for Boris too. Prayers for my daughter who is a
    Respiratory Tech in a major hospital. This dad is concerned needless to say.

    Keep Calm and Carry On. Steve

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    Regarding masks in the UKicon right now, it is very much a matter of personal choice, and where I live most people appear to currently wear no form of mask or respirator when outside of their home. Things may be different in London but right now I would say, in general terms, across the whole of the UK the majority of people still do not wear any form of mask or respirator when outside of their home. As previously stated, I do wear a full respirator when going into shops and this is because I am more concerned about my family's health than my own.

    I rather think that the UK, as a whole, currently has a slightly different "take" on the wearing of masks in relation to Covid-19 than to many other countries.


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