Real or Fantasy Piece? No5 Help?

[Buccaneer]

I'm sure I remember Peter Laidler representing (as an expert witness) someone who was accused of having an unlicensed / improperly deactivated SKN rifle - if I remember correctly the final decision was if it had an SKN serial number it was originally built as a non-functioning firearm so the law did not apply, if it did not have an SKN then it was converted from a live firing rifle and the laws applied.

That's how I remember it, maybe others know differently.

I know that this has been aired on many occasions but since then the EU has issued three different directives regarding deactivating firearms. The first instructing even deactivated firearms to be "deactivated" again to bring them up to what they considered to be their new specification, the second some 18 months later then said that their first attempt at a new "deactivation" was not good enough so they had to be worked on yet again so that the only part that moved was the trigger and that was not allowed to be in contact with any other part. Now we come to the really good part having turned a deactivated gun into nothing more than a piece of welded up metal and wood which could only be used as a club you now have a legal requirement to register it with someone, in the UK I think it is the home office, the fact that you actually own this totally useless piece of wood and metal.
The rifle in the original post could be owned by someone here in the UK but it would be illegal to sell, give, lend or dispose of it in any way except by handing it into the police or possibly giving it to a museum unless it had been brought up to the current EU specification including welding a rod into what is left of the barrel and welding all of the other parts in place.
Out of a matter of interest I took my sectioned / skeletonized No4 to the Birmingham proof house several years ago when the first directive came out to find out if it could be considered to be deactivated as just like the No5 in this post it was obviously way beyond the ability to discharge any form of projectile, I was told that unless the deactivation conformed to the then EU directive then it would still classed as "defectively deactivated" and I would be breaking the law if I tried to dispose of it.
Indecently I bought it many years ago at an auction but it had to be sold as a section 1 firearm even then as it did not have any form of certification to state that it was deactivated and the auction house quite correctly insisted that it had to entered onto my FAC where it still occupies a slot today.
We seem to live in a mad world and with the onset of Covid 19 its become even more so. Stay safe all of you and hopefully at some point we will pop out of the other end of it all a bit older and a damn sight wiser...

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[mrclark303]

I know that this has been aired on many occasions but since then the EU has issued three different directives regarding deactivating firearms. The first instructing even deactivated firearms to be "deactivated" again to bring them up to what they considered to be their new specification, the second some 18 months later then said that their first attempt at a new "deactivation" was not good enough so they had to be worked on yet again so that the only part that moved was the trigger and that was not allowed to be in contact with any other part. Now we come to the really good part having turned a deactivated gun into nothing more than a piece of welded up metal and wood which could only be used as a club you now have a legal requirement to register it with someone, in the UK I think it is the home office, the fact that you actually own this totally useless piece of wood and metal.
The rifle in the original post could be owned by someone here in the UK but it would be illegal to sell, give, lend or dispose of it in any way except by handing it into the police or possibly giving it to a museum unless it had been brought up to the current EU specification including welding a rod into what is left of the barrel and welding all of the other parts in place.
Out of a matter of interest I took my sectioned / skeletonized No4 to the Birmingham proof house several years ago when the first directive came out to find out if it could be considered to be deactivated as just like the No5 in this post it was obviously way beyond the ability to discharge any form of projectile, I was told that unless the deactivation conformed to the then EU directive then it would still classed as "defectively deactivated" and I would be breaking the law if I tried to dispose of it.
Indecently I bought it many years ago at an auction but it had to be sold as a section 1 firearm even then as it did not have any form of certification to state that it was deactivated and the auction house quite correctly insisted that it had to entered onto my FAC where it still occupies a slot today.
We seem to live in a mad world and with the onset of Covid 19 its become even more so. Stay safe all of you and hopefully at some point we will pop out of the other end of it all a bit older and a damn sight wiser...

It's a curious thing, sectioned firearms are such a grey area.

My view is 'deactivated by other means'

I have a collection of them, all comprehensively sectioned, totally safe and not one capable of even discharging a fart!

All pressure baring parts are effectively deactivated by sectioning and as an additional measure, all bolt faces champhered.

Before I bought my first example I sounded out my Police firearms team and their view was sectioned firearms arn't an issue to own off ticket, provided I bought them from an RFD and made absolutely sure no pressure baring parts are reusable in advance.

So due diligence really.

Other police forces may vary....

[CINDERS]

I have a collection of them, all comprehensively sectioned, totally safe and not one capable of even discharging a fart!

There in the fine print Clarky you missed it ~ Section 19 Part C) Farting and other gaseous releases by the sectioned firearm are prohibited under Clause 3.2 Depletion of the Ozone Layer

You would have to be pretty keen to section a No.5 rifle which are selling for around the $1,200/AUD here!

[Alan de Enfield]

I'm sure many will of heard of 'Industrial Archaeologists' (folks who break into old factories to take photos etc of what is left)

Here are some pictures of the Parker Hale factory several years after closing down.

There are 100's of Enfield SKN 'rifles'.

[mrclark303]

There in the fine print Clarky you missed it ~ Section 19 Part C) Farting and other gaseous releases by the sectioned firearm are prohibited under Clause 3.2 Depletion of the Ozone Layer

You would have to be pretty keen to section a No.5 rifle which are selling for around the $1,200/AUD here!