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    A Savage 4T Serial# 0C4675 only £11000 GBP

    As above, a Savage 4T being sold as the only known US Trials 4T.......................

    Not enough photos to go into detail. The TR looks wrong

    But £11000 GBP

    https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rifl...ion-303-rifles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy W View Post
    As above, a Savage 4T being sold as the only known US Trials 4T.......................

    Not enough photos to go into detail. The TR looks wrong

    But £11000 GBP

    https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rifl...ion-303-rifles

    It actually says :

    "Only known American No4 T trials rifle on the market and this could be your only chance to pick her up!"

    There are a number of known Savage's, that were converted to 4t' for trials, in fact OC1 is a 4T and owned by a member on this forum.

    0C109 was a 4T that was later converted to an L42A1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy W View Post
    As above, a Savage 4T being sold as the only known US Trials 4T.......................

    Not enough photos to go into detail. The TR looks wrong

    But £11000 GBP

    https://www.valmontfirearms.com/rifl...ion-303-rifles
    The description of this rifle may or may not be correct but I have had dealings with this gentleman in the past and all I can say is TREAT WITH EXTREME CAUTION. remember what was said about some RFD's on the recent Long Branch 4T post. I will say no more...…...

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    I saw this rifle some time ago, 2016, looked at it with a view to buying it. I think it was priced at £3,600. I took the photos without knowing what was important on a 4T at the time. It came up for sale some time ago at valmont, price was £10,000. Their ad said, as far as I can recall, it had been confirmed as a trials rifle by an expert. It then did not appear on their website for some time, I thought they'd managed to sell it. This is the Thread I started back then.

    https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=57493&page=1
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    Always found Valmont to be well overpriced. Looks ok, but mismatched scope and bracket hardly make it a gem at that price.

    Hmmm, i don't ever remember Harrods issuing binoculars to the military?

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    On re-reading my comments I may have been a little over critical of this rifle four years ago. It does look to be an original rifle, but it has been tarted up a bit here & there. We can't say for certain whether its current Mk3 scope is correctly rematched to the rifle as we don't know if there is a scope serial number on the wrist. (Assuming I didn't miss a photo!). So, I suppose it could either be rematched, mismatched, or a Less Telescope rifle that has had a spare scope & bracket added to it. Even though it is a Savage made rifle & even though it has a Mk3 scope on it, it still seems an awful lot of money. I'll gladly sell one of mine for that price!

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    I think its a telescope less rifle that has had a scope added at a later date.
    There is no scope serial number on the wrist and if you look on the butt socket in the centre you can see a T.R, but then below it is another poorly done T.R in another font.

    This looks like it was added when the scope was fitted.


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    Roger, I thought you and other members did an excellent appraisal of this rifle 4 years ago. Had the advert write up been less of a "fairy tale", I would have probably bought it. I have to say that I'm happier with the one I've now got. I'm sorry that I hadn't the knowledge then to photograph the important points. It's a while now, but I can't recall seeing a scope number on the wrist.
    I'm tempted to mention the RFD where I saw the rifle back then, but maybe it's better to PM this.

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    Maybe they think TR stands for Trials Rifle?

    The RFD has some strange ideas about rarity. He has a video on Youtube showing off his Springfield 1903 USMC Sniper rifle, which he claims is rare and original. It has a Hi-Lux $500 repro scope on and the pads are held on with Torqs bolts. I'm therefore not surprised he thinks this is £11k rare.

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    Thanks chaps. Scout Sniper, you have keener eyes than I! True, it does not look like there is a scope serial number on the butt, though did Ian mention that it was a replacement? Even so, if it was replaced in military service & the rifle was scoped up, the number would have been transferred across to the new butt................just thinking out loud!

    I think the overstamped/poorly stamped marking on the butt socket was probably 'FTR'. It's quite common on T's to see it stamped there, as opposed to engraved on the receiver side wall as on regular No4's.......

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