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    U Boot POW records

    Hello folks, I've noticed a wealth of knowledge on these pages. I've been researching U464 for a while now and I wonder if there are any submarine buffs here as members who might give me some pointers to more than i have found out already.
    Basicaly U464 left Bergen in Norwayicon in 14 August 1942. Somewhere between the Farao Islands and Iceland on 20th August the U Boat was spotted above the surface by a US Coastal Command PBY Catalina. Bombed and damaged, subsequently scuttled, Crew where picked up by an Icelandic fishing vessel Skaftiellingur. Transfered to HMS Newark and HMS Castleton.
    The Crew where to spend the rest of the war as prisoners.
    I've basically got all the info that available on the internet, which is far more than than i started out with. Particularly interesting would be actual interrogation reports of individual crew, and hints on how to track and trace their internment.
    The reason i'm interested in this U Boot is that my wife's Grandad was a chief petty officer on board. Obersteuermann.
    Is there anyone on here who knows thier way into prisoner of war records?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete110119 View Post
    Icelandic fishing vessel Skaftiellingur. Transfered to HMS Newark and HMS Castleton.
    Pete, As the named vessels were involved with the crew of U464, there should be some mention of these in there log books etc, the UKicon National Archives is the first point I'd go to, the fact he was a POW there should be some record.

    interviews etc I'm not sure on but you may get lucky.

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    U-boat Archive - U-464 - Interrogation Report

    This is probably the only records available unless you go directly to the British Archives
    Prisoners of war in British hands - The National Archives



    3. Second World War
    The National Archives does not hold comprehensive lists of ex-PoWs, detainees, displaced persons (DPs), persons released or tried or former forced labourers from the Second World War but does hold administrative records relating to the same. There are other organisations that may prove better places to start your research if you are looking for records of individual PoWs in British hands – see section 7 for details.

    Those records that we do hold relating to enemy PoWs include the following:

    3.1 PoWs, 1939-1945
    incomplete sets of interrogation reports for enemy prisoners (mostly Germanicon) held by the British – search within WO 208 for the term ‘interrogation report’ in combination with ‘German’, ‘Italianicon’ or ‘Japaneseicon’ or browse from WO 208/5521 to WO 208/5556 for interrogation reports of PoWs held in the United Kingdomicon and from WO 208/5507 to WO 208/5520 for interrogation reports of PoWs held in British hands in Africa, the Middle East and the Mediterranean
    Control Commission interrogation reports in FO 1050/169
    interrogation reports for enemy airmen in AIR 40/2394 and captured naval survivors in ADM 186/806-809
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    Thanks Guys, i'd got all those details from the U-boat archive. what i didn't know was where to turn to next. 3. and 3.1 have pointed me in the right direction on that.
    Unfortunately Grandad passed away before i met the wife, she says he and I would have got on well. We know he was a POW in Yorkshire and was highly impressed with the kindness of the Britishicon. So much so that he learned the language well and was employed by the Royal Navy after the war, before serving in the Deutsche Marine after its founding in 1956. Motherinlaw says Grandad was sunk more than once, so he was one of the experienced chief petty officers mentioned in the U-Boat archive and hat previous tours under his belt, but as of yet i've not managed to find anything on that, its highly difficult trying to find such military information here in Germanyicon and I'm putting snippets here and there together as i can. Looks like a visit to the National Archives will be on the cards in the future. Thanks Guys.

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    Eden camp near York, Yorkshire, Englandicon is a very interesting place to visit and was an Italianicon, then Germanicon POW camp during WW2. Many of the original huts are still on site and form part of the privately run Museum that is normally open to the public. It is currently closed because of the virus. Obviously I don't know if your relative was held in this particular camp but it would have likely been a similar camp to this.

    Award Winning Visitor Attraction, Malton, North Yorkshire - Eden Camp

    Some interrogation reports, like some other material, may not necessarily have been declassified yet because 100 years hasn't passed yet since they were made. Some things are still secret from WW2 with the relevant files not yet having been made public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    Eden camp near York, Yorkshire, Englandicon is a very interesting place to visit and was an Italianicon, then German POW camp during WW2. Many of the original huts are still on site and form part of the privately run Museum that is normally open to the public. It is currently closed because of the virus. Obviously I don't know if your relative was held in this particular camp but it would have likely been a similar camp to this.

    Award Winning Visitor Attraction, Malton, North Yorkshire - Eden Camp

    Some interrogation reports, like some other material, may not necessarily have been declassified yet because 100 years hasn't passed yet since they were made. Some things are still secret from WW2 with the relevant files not yet having been made public.
    Yes mate, I know it well, originaly bieng from that area of the world (i was born in Beverley). Eden Camp is certainly worth a visit. I was there not to long ago with some of my German mates whilst on a lads trip to York. Certainly apparent to us all that its better when Brits and Germans don't fight each other and what an entwined history we have. There where loads of POW camps in the North East though. You might be right about not declassified yet.
    The old adage of "Don't mention the War" seems to be the key word here in Germanyicon, so many facts are lost or hidden. Our 2nd oldest boy is a Luftwaffe officer and i think its important for him to be aware of his family Military history, but the Bundeswehr seem to put less of an onus on studying such.
    I do get further with it 1 step at a time, and the links above to Kew are probably the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete110119 View Post
    The old adage of "Don't mention the War" seems to be the key word here in Germanyicon, so many facts are lost or hidden.
    For me growing up it was totally different as both my parents had lived through the war, as children, and the war was constantly being discussed and analysed. Added to the mix, one of my Grandmothers lived with us for quite a few years and she had lived through WW1 as a child but was old enough to help out doing odd jobs, part-time, in a Red Cross hospital.

    One of the most unusual but true events to happen to my Grandmother and her mother during WW1 was to be held at gun point by a German spy. It is slightly complicated as to how and why my Gran and her mother came to be held at gunpoint by a German spy during WW1 but my Gran's mother was able to resolve the matter by thrusting the ornamental handle of her walking stick hard up the nose of the German spy. Unsurprisingly, the German spy did not like having the ornamental handle of a walking stick thrust hard up his nose, especially when it is done with such force that it damaged part of the decoration of the handle to the walking stick. The spy legged it but my understanding is that he was eventually caught. I do still have the walking stick somewhere and when I rediscover it, I will post some photos of it.

    Back in 2018 the German president took part in the UK's remembrance day event in London for the first time which I regard as a great act of reconciliation between Britainicon and Germany.
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    Once the Blitz had ended and my Mum and her older sister came back to London from evacuation in Scotland with their Grandmother they used to have to walk to school right past POW Camp No.669 which was built alongside the A40 in Greenford.
    It was full of Afrika Korps and Italianicon POW's captured in North Africa, and many of the girls that lived in my Mum's road would get chatted up by the Italians and Germans through the fence alongside the pathway.
    The older girl that lived opposite my Mum ended up marrying a German POW after the war ended. He took her back to Germanyicon soon after they were married, but the few remaining members of his family gave him a hard time for marrying an English girl, and within 12 months they decided to return to the UKicon, and moved into a house just up the road from her parents. It must have been odd for him over the coming years to be living only half a mile from where he had been held as a POW for 5 or more years. The POW's from that camp helped to build the new Greenford Underground station before they were all released.
    By the early 70's the old POW camp was all overgrown and only a few of the brick fireplaces and chimney bases from some of the huts remains dotted among the overgrown shrubbery. As kids we used ride out push bikes all around the place.

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    Same with me growing up, most of the family had served in one capacity or another, or been in reserved occupations. Veterans don't tend to talk about experiences much with civies, but when you've a family full of vets, its like been down the workshop bar on a Friday night..so i was ear wigging plenty of stories as a kid. This influenced my career choice. Once i'd joined up and served a while myself, i could relate to these oldtimers and often spent time with them. But the Germans seemed to do just the opposite, very touchy subject in most circles. It annoys the hell out out of me that they don't look after their war memorials properly, sets a crap example for current generations of service personell
    Funnily enough, Charles de Gaul was a WW1 POW held in what eventualy became a Britishicon Army Camp in Osnabrück Germanyicon. What used to be Scarborough Barracks, is just round the corner from my parents in laws place. And one of the camps i served in here Quebeck Barracks, was also a POW camp, mostly for captured Jugoslavian officers.
    Surrounded by history we are. we live in a village on the southern edge or what was Achmer trainig area.. which was a Luftwaffe base during the war, and where Messerschmitt ME262 flew from. The estate where i shot my first ever wild boar (Ostenwalde near Melle) was Montgommery's HQ for a while, and the cellar rooms of the large house still bear the british markings from the occupation.

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