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    Bullet speed and ME is what you load or what the load is. Easy to compare different cartridges if the bullet type/shape/weight, propellent, velocity, barrel length, etc are all the same. If not, comparison is meaningless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan Kemp View Post
    Bullet speed and ME is what you load or what the load is. Easy to compare different cartridges if the bullet type/shape/weight, propellent, velocity, barrel length, etc are all the same. If not, comparison is meaningless.
    For a straight comparison of cartridge only yes, but if comparing say, two service pistols using service ammo you have a set value for all of that. For example the M1911 and M9 using service ammo have ME within 5ft/lbs of each other at the muzzle.

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    I don't know. That .30 carbine is good for coyotes and what not. Never looked at is as a man killer right or wrong. But heck, what do I know of man killin'? They are a hoot to shoot though. About the easiest "rifle" caliber to reload for too. I'm a fan.

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    Well, my dad in his brothers fought with M1icon Carbines in the Pacific in WW2. They would dispute anyone saying it was not good at its job! I whacked a large Black Tail Deer at 100 yards with one shot from a carbine. It died right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillSarchet View Post
    For a straight comparison of cartridge only yes, but if comparing say, two service pistols using service ammo you have a set value for all of that. For example the M1911 and M9 using service ammo have ME within 5ft/lbs of each other at the muzzle.
    You are comparing ME energy only in this example under a very restricted set of conditions,nothing else. As soon as anything changes, such as a different lot number service issue ammo, or different service pistols of the same type, make, etc, the results change. This is the subject of many arguments as it always has to do what the individual believes to be the truth.

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    Hypotheticals aside, combatants killed by 30 Carbine in 3 wars were just s dead as those killed by 30-06, 45 ACP, or 9mm. It was not effective when employed outside its design envelop as a PDW or close in and personal weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
    Hypotheticals aside, combatants killed by 30 Carbine in 3 wars were just s dead as those killed by 30-06, 45 ACP, or 9mm. It was not effective when employed outside its design envelop as a PDW or close in and personal weapon.
    When haters say it's a weak round I always respond that I'll inform the tens of thousands of wartime dead that it's a weak round.
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    My little experience with one was very good. Light, accurate, easy to handle, friendly rifle. Wish I'd managed to spirit it away.

    It wouldn't have lasted this long in combat if it wan't good.

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    You said it , sir. ME and MV be damned, if it works it works.

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