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    Quote Originally Posted by painter777 View Post
    I shouldn't care but..........
    I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me when you see guys spend this kind of money on Replica Carbines. I feel like those of us that know need to step up and out to warn guys.
    Here we are sharing our finds and happy for one another when someone scores that Original or that nice shooter they are after.
    I know some don't want us butting in, but in time it will be one of us that informs that owner or the next that it isn't what they think/thought it is.
    I'm tired of breaking hearts. I just had to wipe the perma grin off a buyers face that just bought a Stan Pro sold to him by a Ontario gun shop that was represented as a 100% WWII as issued. The CC stamp was fake, rear sight fake and the barrel had been used by NPM before it was put on that carbine as a replacement.



    Trying to help a seller often doesn't work out either,
    A for instance, There was a New seller with no feedback on GB who had a early WRA 1,25 listed. But his description showed he wasn't savvy when it came to carbines. The Carbine was right as rain just having a minor chip in the stock near the recoil plate, a missing swivel and no sling. I contacted him to tell him what he had and the type of description and pictures needed to draw the attention of real collectors. He didn't revise or update his listing. I tried once again this time being upfront letting him know I was interested and that those needed pictures would help me decide my willing to pay limit. Again no reply or any updates. The listing ran unchanged 2 or 3 times with no bids and finally ending with no sale. I don't know if I scared the new seller or if he thought I was a tire kicker, scammer or just sticking my nose in his business. I even wondered with him being new that maybe he wasn't familiar with the Ask a Seller a question option and didn't know how to reply... IDK. With what I could see I had a max payout of $2500 in mind.

    It was GB # 865648869

    Maybe I'm just a little down in the dumps from breaking hearts. But after reading a post of a guy PROUDLY showing off his new find and it's followed by 6 or 7 replies of oooohhs and aaawwws. Then you see the fake CC and repro parts you find yourself feeling like you have to step in and correct the crowd, thus breaking another heart.

    This brings to mind a memory and story I told fellow member here Ole long winded Bobg. Back while still working we were doing a new custom home and a neighbor stopped in with his carbine and 15 to 16 year old son. He said I heard you know carbines and handed me his. He told me he always wanted a WWII carbine in original condition. As soon as he slipped the case off of it I seen it was a commercial. But looking at his proud owners face and the glee on that boys eye.......... I couldn't do it. I just told him it was a nice one. He twinkled his way back out the door. I told BobG about it, who gave me much more than his normal reply of "Yep" or "Nope". He gave me this long winded reply: "You should have told him what he had".
    I never seen the guy again because they were heading to FLA for the winter and I can't remember where that build was at. We'd do up to 150+ homes a year. So I've carried a guilty feeling since, wondering how big a let down they'll have when they find out the truth.

    Since then I tell what I know. If I don't know I ask. But admittedly there are times this is a Tough hobby.....
    It was much easier to tell my Archrival that his ole lady was cheating on him !

    Charlie-P777
    Charlie Painter, you may feel bad having to tell people they've bought a repro, but you've also saved people like me from Sam TB. I was always impressed with the Carbines he sells. Wondered how he could always have such nice, untouched WWII carbines. Then I saw this group discussing him and have stayed away since. So Thank you. You are saving some of us.

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    If I remember right Alden was from upper state NY. He had someone across the border who had access to almost new M1icon carbines . Unissued carbines from the Canadianicon Army that they never used or even issued. The only thing he could not get were receivers. He was fair with his prices it seemed to me. But almost all Inland parts.

    Will buyers ever get smarter? That's like saying will voters ever get smarter. Too many are far to stupid to be allowed to vote but this is America and stupid voters are allowed as are stupid buyers allowed to buy. So the answer is. NO they won't and far to many con men waiting for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRiverrat11 View Post
    Charlie Painter, you may feel bad having to tell people they've bought a repro, but you've also saved people like me from Sam TB. I was always impressed with the Carbines he sells. Wondered how he could always have such nice, untouched WWII carbines. Then I saw this group discussing him and have stayed away since. So Thank you. You are saving some of us.
    That seller needs to own his reputation. He cultivated it. It's nobody's fault for recognizing it as though it's a secret people need to keep. You be you, is a the appropriate saying.
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    When I first started researching my Fathers M1icon carbine my first search pulled up Riverbank Armory. I remember thinking these must not be rare, their every where and look at all the different parts they used during the War. Thank God I joined a forum and did my homework.

    I couldn't really use a computer yet without help from the kids, but I remember my first online question was "If they (Ordnance) rebuilt a carbine did they re-stamp that Crossed Cannons looking stamp?"
    Screams of Stock Humper !!! were typed at me. Luckily a few guys took me under their wing and helped me get started.

    We've All Been there.........
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    Your absolutely right Charlie. We ALL had to start somewhere. And over time we did get burned once in awhile but we learned and we didn't get burned anymore. All we can do is pass on what we know to those who if they are willing to listen will learn and not to join those that are being burned. Just keep up the good fight for them.

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    Well Hello Bruceski,
    You along with Marcus, Roger M, Jim F, JP-Quagmire, Charles from Bhama, Loren B, Chris A, BQ, Nigerian BobG and Stu took pity on me.
    But I took notes !
    And made a list of Humpers and Fake CC stamp buyers.

    The Ole Days....
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    If you haven't been caught at least twice, you are a rookie! I got it big time on my first carbine, all original! (total rebuild) Little did I know back then.
    When they tell you to behave, they always forget to specify whether to behave well or badly!

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    Oh Charlie you took notes, very good. Were they in Brail so you can still read them? ( Bad Bruce bad picking on the infirm that way. I'm on the express elevator heading down where it's HOT!!! )

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    Just don't pick on us feeble elderly. We strike back!
    When they tell you to behave, they always forget to specify whether to behave well or badly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimb16 View Post
    Just don't pick on us feeble elderly. We strike back!
    WHAT???? Your a year younger then me and I'm picking on the feeble elderly? I couldn't help it. It was just suddenly...there. I swear it was Big Foot standing in from of me. But he was protected. (he had a mask on) Said he was from Michigan and his name was Darrel. I think he was lying to me about his name.

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