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    Syrian Army use of WW2 German Armoured Vehicles post WW2

    This video is quite interesting by Mike Fenton. One would hope that any remains of WW2 Germanicon vehicles that are still left abandoned in the Golan Heights will be rescued.




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    There is only so much space for old tanks and only so much interest. They will probably remain there until only a rust heap remains, or somebody collects them for scrap.

    They also might remain there as memorials and war graves.

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    A funny story about the Golan wrecks. I work with a news service that has an office in Israel. In the late 1980s, a colleague of mine was recording a scene for a short history of the Six Day War, standing in front of one of these disabled tanks with his crew shooting his narration. The twenty-year-old wreck had weeds growing out its hatches and was encrusted with rust. When they finished and began packing up the gear, a van pulled up and a crew from one of the "big three" American news services piled out and came over to the tank. "Hi, guys!" The other crew set up, carefully set up their reporter to cover rust and weeds, and began, waving towards the tank behind him: "I'm here on the scene of today's violent clash between the PLO and Israeli defense forces..."


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    If I was Israeli I would see a certain meaning in ex-German tanks knocked out on the borders; perhaps they remain there for that reason?

    Mark Fenton's work reminds us how much of history is completely missed by most historians: and often because they prefer to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    If I was Israeli I would see a certain meaning in ex-German tanks knocked out on the borders; perhaps they remain there for that reason?

    Mark Fenton's work reminds us how much of history is completely missed by most historians: and often because they prefer to.
    https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/panzers-in-the-golan-heights/

    This link will take you to an excellent site, including a good post on the subject of this thread.

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    Proved that Centurion tanks could do exactly what they were designed to do, take-out Germanicon armour. They just did it 20+ years later than originally intended.

    I would have thought that any WW2 German armoured vehicle would be worth a significant amount of money to collectors in the US, Russiaicon or the UKicon, even wrecks.

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    Centurions were the perfection development of Britishicon tanks at the end of WWII, and were subsequently still further improved. The Germanicon Mk IV tanks were at their ultimate development before the end of WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I would have thought that any WW2 Germanicon armoured vehicle would be worth a significant amount of money to collectors in the US, Russiaicon or the UKicon, even wrecks.
    I don't think you're going to be able to get anything out of that area...the Israelis' don't care about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I would have thought that any WW2 Germanicon armoured vehicle would be worth a significant amount of money to collectors in the US, Russiaicon or the UKicon, even wrecks.
    There been better candidates for restoration that have been recovered from the former areas of the Soviet Bloc in the past couple of decades as to not bother with the risks associated with trying get anything out of the Golan Heights, given the condition they are mostly in, although the famous USAicon collector, the late Jacques Littlefield did acquire one of the Syrian Panzer IV's from an Israeli museum back in 2003, and its now part of the Collings Foundation when Collings bought all of the Littlefield Collection after he passed away. Littlefield also had a Panther V that was recovered from a fresh water swamp somewhere in NE Europe (might have been eastern Poland?) and that was restored including being able to rebuild and get running the original Maybach V12 into running condition after being submerged for 50 years...!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    I don't think you're going to be able to get anything out of that area...the Israelis' don't care about that.
    Yes, I think that it is the "restricted access" that is the reason that more has not been recovered from the Golan Heights.

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