+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16

Thread: Krag Rifle Identification Help

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Member polandaj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2020
    Last On
    11-07-2020 @ 06:11 PM
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    12:40 PM
    Real Name
    Andrew

    Krag Rifle Identification Help

    New to Kragicon rifles but did some research. Any identification help would be much appreciated.

    From what I can tell, this would be a M1892 rifle with 1901 pattern rear sight that was cut down to a 22" barrel. The receiver has "1894" on it and is in the 18,7xx serial number range. One source shows it was made in 1895 and another showed 1896. One of those sources mentioned some 'full stock' 1894 carbines - but I would imaging those are all known/accounted for and/or super rare.

    Looks different from other 'sporterized' rifles I've seen - maybe the work of a good gunsmith at some point with what looks like the stock forearm being re-shaped to taper down and fit the ferrule/cap under the muzzle. The stock is still one piece, it's not been cut at the band - just appears to be re-shaped. There are no markings on the front sight or stock "cap". I did take it apart and the screw on the bottom of the stock "cap" is shallow threaded into the barrel. The front sight has a protective hood that slides off.

    I would imagine this front sight was a sporting sight, not a military arsenal sight?








  2. Thank You to polandaj For This Useful Post:


  3. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    Banner AD Space Available - Click HERE to Inquire Family owned and operated since 1962, Simpson LTD is the largest collector firearms store in the Midwest. Our globally sourced inventory represents many eras, with an emphasis on World War II and our favorite firearm, the Luger, of which we typically have 2,500 in stock.  Inventory changes daily with 10,000 firearms ready to ship; along with accessories, militaria, and hundreds of book titles. We also offer appraisals, consignment services ranging from single items to full collections, and we are one of the most reliable and competitively priced import and export services available.  We do not offer parts or gunsmithing, but we have a little bit of everything else. Visit our website for more information and our new technical video series Speaking Luger, and like Simpson Ltd on Facebook for updates, previews, and more. LIMITED TIME OFFER FROM THE AMERICAN GUNSMITHING INSTITUTE: Get Immediate Online Access To AGI's NEW Armorer's Course for Glock Pistols, Covering Every Generation of Glocks, Including the Latest Model 42/43 and Double Stack Pistols for ONLY $7.00! Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses. Banner AD Space Available - Click HERE to Inquire
     

  4. #2
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:07 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    24,450
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    10:40 AM
    Not a military piece of any sort but a VERY cool hunting rifle at the very least. That would be one, if the bore is nice...I would love to have. No, It's a sporter.
    Regards, Jim

  5. Thank You to browningautorifle For This Useful Post:


  6. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  7. #3
    Really Senior Member butlersrangers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Location
    S.E. Michigan, U.S.A.
    Posts
    537
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    01:40 PM
    'polandaj' - Your Kragicon, #187XX, is a U.S. model 1892, that was assembled around July or August, 1895.

    With the model 1901 rear-sight & hand-guard and 'hold-open' pin on the extractor, it likely that it was up-dated, later, to more of a model 1896 configuration.
    (It is likely your receiver was later 'notched' for the hold-open pin on your extractor. IIRC - This alteration was done to early receivers in 1897 and 1902).

    I think that you are correct about your Krag being turned into a rather nice 'Mannicher-style' Hunting rifle by a professional Gunsmith.

    It is far nicer than most 'sportered' Krags.

    (FWIW - Only two prototype-carbines were built on model 1892 actions and they are accounted for).
    Last edited by butlersrangers; 10-29-2020 at 01:35 PM.

  8. Thank You to butlersrangers For This Useful Post:


  9. #4
    Really Senior Member butlersrangers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Location
    S.E. Michigan, U.S.A.
    Posts
    537
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    01:40 PM
    'polandaj' - I am curious.

    Your Kragicon appears to have a model 1896 or 1898 Bolt with the pin protruding from the extractor and other later features.

    Is your receiver 'notched' to accept this pin, when the Bolt is drawn to the rear?


  10. #5
    Member polandaj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2020
    Last On
    11-07-2020 @ 06:11 PM
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    12:40 PM
    Real Name
    Andrew
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by butlersrangers View Post
    'polandaj' - I am curious.
    Your Kragicon appears to have a model 1896 or 1898 Bolt with the pin protruding from the extractor and other later features.
    Is your receiver 'notched' to accept this pin, when the Bolt is drawn to the rear?
    Hi 'butlersrangers', I had purchased a lot that contained three Krag rifles, what appears to be an unmolested 1898 rifle with bayonet, an unmolested 1896 carbine - and this 1892 sporter. I can't be 100% certain that I didn't mix up the bolts between the rifles - but I just snapped these pics of the 1892 in question in this thread. it does have a notch in the receiver for the extractor pin to hold the bolt open.



  11. Thank You to polandaj For This Useful Post:


  12. #6
    Really Senior Member Daan Kemp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Last On
    Today @ 11:24 AM
    Location
    Centurion RSA
    Posts
    754
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    08:40 PM
    Real Name
    Daan Kemp
    Looks like a very nice sporterised Kragicon. With a good bore and all parts working correctly, it should be a a valuable addition.

  13. Thank You to Daan Kemp For This Useful Post:


  14. #7
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:07 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    24,450
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    10:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by polandaj View Post
    I had purchased a lot that contained three Kragicon rifles,
    Love to see them all if you have the time to do an expose' on them...always nice for later reference here. I just like to look at clean Krags.
    Regards, Jim

  15. #8
    Member polandaj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2020
    Last On
    11-07-2020 @ 06:11 PM
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    12:40 PM
    Real Name
    Andrew
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Love to see them all if you have the time to do an expose' on them...always nice for later reference here. I just like to look at clean Krags.
    I was able to snap some pics of the 1896 Carbine - I'll add the 1898 Rifle soon.











  16. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to polandaj For This Useful Post:


  17. #9
    Really Senior Member butlersrangers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Location
    S.E. Michigan, U.S.A.
    Posts
    537
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    01:40 PM
    'polandaj' - Thanks for responding about your "1894" marked receiver. The 'notch' was done at Springfield Armory during a 'program' to update early rifles to a model 1896 configuration. This happened in 1897 and 1902, (if I recall correctly). The receivers required 'local' annealing in the area where the hold-open 'notch' was cut, so the work was done at the Armory.

    IMHO -You have a nice looking representation of a model 1896 "Carbine", put in a correct carbine stock.

    Your receiver, #58783, was likely once part of a rifle, assembled around March, 1897.
    This serial number is not in a known range for model 1896 carbines.

    Your rear-sight is a model 1896 rifle sight. The leaf is only calibrated to '18' (1,800 yards). The carbine sight is similar, but, has "C" markings on the base and leaf. The carbine leaf is calibrated to '20' (2,000 yards).

    (A correct 1896 carbine rear-sight sells for over $500, by itself).

    I hope you were not taken advantage of on the "carbine".

  18. #10
    Member polandaj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2020
    Last On
    11-07-2020 @ 06:11 PM
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    11-24-2020
    Local Time
    12:40 PM
    Real Name
    Andrew
    Thread Starter
    Quote Originally Posted by butlersrangers View Post
    IMHO -You have a nice looking representation of a model 1896 "Carbine", put in a correct carbine stock.

    Your receiver, #58783, was likely once part of a rifle, assembled around March, 1897.
    This serial number is not in a known range for model 1896 carbines.
    Good info to know! Would it be likely the original rifle barrel was cut down or were these ever re-barreled/converted by arsenals to carbines (where the rifle rear sight was simply left on)?

    Or is that something that's really only done by individuals in the civilian world? The front sight looks like an original but I suppose that could have been reinstalled. Maybe a better question is: would the most likely scenario here be that someone quite some time ago got ahold of the correct pattern 1896 carbine stock, had the rifle barrel cut down to 22", had the front sight moved and essentially copied the carbine configuration, minus the rear sight of course?

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Rifle Identification
    By welsh13ik in forum Pattern 1913/1914 and M1917 Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 02-04-2017, 01:30 AM
  2. 30/40 krag identification help
    By Foxx9914 in forum Krag Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-08-2017, 06:53 PM
  3. Rifle Identification
    By mbs4n6 in forum Pattern 1913/1914 and M1917 Rifles
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 06-27-2015, 09:11 AM
  4. Rifle Identification
    By ClassicMark in forum Martini Henry Rifles
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-13-2012, 12:06 PM
  5. 30-40 Krag Identification
    By RCS in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-27-2011, 05:56 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts