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    Question regarding Russian LVE 7.62 x 54R hunting ammunition

    Hello Everyone, Thanks for accepting me as a new member.!!! I came across a few boxes of what appears to be Russianicon hunting ammunition. The box is blueish/green. V25 = 705 m/s is printed in the right upper hand corner along with LVE 7.62 x 54R Hunting Cartridges FMJ in the center . Bullet mass is 13g and the box states that the ammunition is non-corrosive. The headstand reads LVE 99 and the cases appear to be copper washed. I was hoping someone on here could tell me more about this ammunition. For example, how does it preform, is it indeed non-corrosive, when was it made, etc.? Thanks in advance.

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    Your ammunition was made in 1999 at the Nosovibirsk Low Voltage Equipment plant in Novosibirsk, Russiaicon and is non corrosive and fairly accurate in my experience.
    Is yours soft point or FMJ? I have some white box 148gr FMJ that's labeled as "hunting ammunition". Seems I remember the hunting ammunition designation was used as a loophole to skirt the Obummer era import ban on Russian military style guns and ammo. My 91/30 PU was imported as a "hunting carbine" around the same time frame.
    More information can be found here: http://www.lveplant.ru
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    Hello, thanks for responding to my question. Itís an FMJ. I pulled one of the bullets and it appears to have a boat tail. Looks well made. Glad to hear that itís non -corrosive. One can never be too sure with the eastern block stuff.

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    Not to highjack your thread. Shooting the ammo with the corrosive primer compound is not that bad. All you need to do, if you ever shoot any, is to use a ammonia - water solution on a patch to swab the bore and wipe the bolt face. Then do your normal cleaning when you get home and your Mosin will be fine. I have been shooting eastern bloc ammo from my two Mosins for years with absolutely no ill effects. When I bought my second 91/30 I went to Buymilsurp.com and bought a couple extra boltheads because I heard horror stories about corrosive ammo. Then I did some research and found out how to prevent damage. It works very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMALEW123 View Post
    It’s an FMJ.
    While its say Hunting Ammo, it's not for most game, you cant take large game in most states using FMJ and you wouldn't want to if you are ethical. You can however use them on People quite successfully as war has proven and for shooting various targets.
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    Why is it unethical to shoot an animal with a bullet that is perfectly ethical to use on humans?
    Which is more ethical, a well placed fmj that kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds at most or a poorly placed state of the art purpose made hunting bullet where the animal dies a slow agonizing death that may take hours to come?
    Marksmanship skills and bullet placement trumps bullet construction any day of the week, imo.
    Pic: exit wound from 5.56mm M193 ball( about as unethical of a combination as you can have according to the purist Fudds) at approx. 140 yds that brushed the spine taking out the aortic artery in the process. Deer was dead before it fell over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    Why is it unethical to shoot an animal with a bullet that is perfectly ethical to use on humans?
    Which is more ethical, a well placed fmj that kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds at most or a poorly placed state of the art purpose-made hunting bullet where the animal dies a slow agonizing death that may take hours to come?
    Why is because of the Hague Convention, which bans any ammunition specifically designed to aggravate wounding through its terminal ballistics. A .22 "kills the animal immediately or within a few seconds" if properly placed too. That is not a reason why it's ethical to use FMJ's hunting. I poorly place FMJ will wound leaving the large game to suffer LONGER than a "art purpose-made hunting bullet," not sure where the "art" comes in, poorly placed in the same area, this is amplified as the distance from target increases.

    This is simple ballistics, more energy is deposited when a hunting bullet is used due to its expansion, it will impart greater tissue damage, blood loss, and shock to the animal then will FMJ's. FMJ's do not expand and as a result, imparts little shock and causes very little tissue damage. You don't have to believe me, there is much information on the subject available.

    Anyhow, I can't see a reason to use FMJ's that were not made for hunting when the choices (outside of California due to lead restrictions) for hunting ammo are large. Is a few cents per round between FMJ's and Hunting ammo that big of a deal?

    If I'm a "FUDD" for understanding ballistics and promoting ethical hunting then, I wear that insult as a badge of honor. BTW: If you really took that deer with a 5.56mm M193 ball FMJ and were in S.C., then you did so in violation of S.C. hunting regulations "3.3 – On WMA lands, big game hunters are not allowed to use armor-piercing, tracer, incendiary, or full metal bullets or .22 or smaller rimfire. "
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    You still havent answered my question and your claims about fmj bullets imparting little shock and causeing little tissue damage is pure conjecture that doesnt line up with what I'm seeing firsthand.
    Before you try teaching terminal ballistics it would be a good idea to get a bit of education yourself.

    And about the s.c. hunting reg you posted, notice it says ON WMA LANDS. It does not apply to private lands so your assumption that I broke some law by shooting deer with a 5.56 and fmj's are nothing but more bs conjecture.There are no WMA's in my AO and I would go anywhere close to one if there were.
    WMA's are where the ametuer city slickers that learned all they know about hunting from reading Field & Stream or Outdoor Life mags in the docs office go to hunt.

    Here's a bit of accurate info that may help you to understand what really happens when a fmj bullet impacts soft tissue.

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