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    Savage No4 (T) Register

    Hi all,

    Firstly apologies if this already exists, I did a quick search but couldn’t find a list of savage No4 t, what I did find was a surprising number of people telling me they don’t exist. A renouned gun smith who is no stranger to enfields recently said he had never seen a real save No4(t).

    Having recently acquired one, I am keen to reach them, initially starting by building but a list of existing rifles.

    If you are happy to please reply with:
    Rifle S/N (or as much as you are happy to share)
    Scope S/N
    Notes, e.g. current state, precision scope numbers, if it is a known Less Scope.
    And a photo or two, particularly of any conversion markings.

    With this data

    Maybe if update is sufficient this may become a sticky?
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    So to get the ball rolling:

    Rifle S/N 0C1551
    Scope S/N 8572 (Not original scope, Roger Payneicon mount)
    Notes:
    Original scope number [?]461
    Fulton regulated post service.
    Conversion markings ghost of scope number, t on rear of receiver.

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    OC109 is a L42

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    No.4 Mk1 NZicon Marked (no.49)
    Serial: 15C4921
    Scope bracket: 14C3293
    Scope: No.32 Mk1 H.B,M.Co 9537
    No T stamping, but Enfeild inspection marked.

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    Savage No.4 MkI* dated 1942
    S/N 14C0114
    5 groove Enfield rifled barrel
    Butt stock is annotated "S51" in proper place with proper font
    Cheek piece is also walnut and secured with blackened straight slot screws
    Butt plate is brass
    All small parts are S marked
    Bolt is original to rifle and has a #2 bolt head
    Front sight hood is milled and S marked
    Scope pads are original and not staked
    No scope S/N on wrist
    the stock extension that goes into the receiver socket is properly numbered to the rifle S/N

    Jim
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    Rifle S/N: 0C3661
    Scope S/N: original scope not present
    Notes: Has been through FTR. Was later sporterized, and is now missing front scope mount pad. Will restore to original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    Rifle S/N: 0C3661
    Scope S/N: original scope not present
    Notes: Has been through FTR. Was later sporterized, and is now missing front scope mount pad. Will restore to original.
    Is there a scope number on the wrist?

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    1941 Mk1 0C3XX 6 groove barrel. Matching bolt. Woodwork original Savage 4T wood but from another Savage rifle. Forend serialled 8866 (?C8866) & butt bears S51 in usual place & scope number 6707.

    1942 Mk1* 12C93XX Replacement Britishicon 5 groove barrel & walnut forend. S51 in usual place. Less Telescope rifle.

    1942 Mk1* 14C02XX Original 2 groove barrel & woodwork. S51 in usual place. Originally fitted with scope serial number 7386 (already missing when I acquired the rifle).

    I'm only thinking out loud here, but I wonder if there may be a tendency for the Less Telescope rifles to be the ones that got replacement 5 groove barrels & often replacement forends as well? I have seen one or two LT rifles that bear replacement front woodwork as well as replacement tubes. And on the other hand the unaltered 2 groover Mk1* rifles may tend to be the rifles that were completed with telescopes. It will be interesting to see what trends emerge, assuming some do! I have a pal who has a scoped up 2 grove Mk1* T so I'll try & get his data as well.
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    Roger: I agree with your hypothesis that a particular subset of these rifles received new barrels and new fore ends from H&H. I say that because my 14C series less scope rifle has both. You would only know the fore end replacement if you knew where to look for serial numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micheal Doyne View Post
    Is there a scope number on the wrist?
    No--wood is not original, though the cheekpiece seems to be.

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