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    Quote Originally Posted by rice 123 View Post
    you wrote that you saw 1917 at a Rock Island auction 8 years ago for $4600 ? I do not think that would be a realistic value a for a 1917 rifle in the US
    Sold For $4600


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    This star on the receiver is weird - cannot remember seeing it on a M1917 action. It more reminds me of the Pattern 1914 rifle.
    Anyway, the $ 4600 includes the BP. Without the 15% BP this rifle had hammer price at $ 4000. Deducting what they charge the consignor this leaves the seller at $ 3,600 (10%) or $ 3,200 (at 20%; not sure what they currently charge). So it depends whether you are buyer or seller, but still $ 3,200 are a really good price for a seller, but nowhere the market price - at least not in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    This star on the receiver is weird - cannot remember seeing it on a M1917 action. It more reminds me of the Pattern 1914 rifle.
    Anyway, the $ 4600 includes the BP. Without the 15% BP this rifle had hammer price at $ 4000. Deducting what they charge the consignor this leaves the seller at $ 3,600 (10%) or $ 3,200 (at 20%; not sure what they currently charge). So it depends whether you are buyer or seller, but still $ 3,200 are a really good price for a seller, but nowhere the market price - at least not in my opinion.
    The star mark denotes early production (before Jan. 1918} Winchesters produced before Ordnance approved interchangeability between all 3 manufacturers was obtained. They were held back from issuance to European theater bound troops until approximately March 1918. This is more thoroughly explained in C.S Ferris book of the 1917.
    The above auction rifle is unique in that it is a wonderful apparently unissued early Winchester originally from the Brophy collection. I suspect that drove the price premium.

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    I did not read the description fully, but you surely are correct that the origin from the Brophy collection must had added a serious premium. Given the serial I would not had considered this rifle early, but just checked my earliest Winchester M1917 (4-digit serial starting with a "1") and you are right - it has the * as well.

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    Promo, your research and posts through the years have been invaluable to myself and many others. The Ferris book is well researched with John Beardicon collaborating. And is available for low money on Amazon here in USAicon.
    I would be happy to forward you a copy (gratis} if you will PM an address.

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    Thanks for the very kind offer, I highly appreciate it. Only "problem", I have this book myself and I'm not greedy and therefore not in need for a second one.

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    Something kind of funny: The Ferris book sounded like something I should have so I started toward Amazon when something in the back of my mind clicked. I checked the book shelf 10 feet away and......! So now I'm re-reading the Ferris book.

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    The rifle is not a Browning. Technically Model of 1917 30 Caliber though I am good with P17, Eddystone, 1917 Enfield. M1917 covered all sorts of military stuff so has to be delineated as to what Model of 1917.

    The notch cut was not a Danish done. While there were various mods and the most done by the Greenland Patrol, front sights were left as was at least the ones returned.

    Denmarkicon did make barrels and some had new Danish marked barrels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC20 View Post
    The rifle is not a Browning.
    Well, I guess even though we all read what he wrote we didn't care because we were more concerned with answering his question...instead of worrying about that. We all knew what he was talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RC20 View Post
    The notch cut was not a Danish done. While there were various mods and the most done by the Greenland Patrol, front sights were left as was at least the ones returned.

    Denmarkicon did make barrels and some had new Danish marked barrels.
    I answered the question a page earlier. The notch was Norwegianicon. Since the Norwegians gave M1917s to Denmark whereas Denmark previously has received M1917s directly from Canadaicon as well, Denmark therefore had M1917s with and without notch. Those with a notch are former Norwegian rifles, those without made the way directly to Denmark.

    The Sirius Sledge Patrol rifles have no connection to this notch, only that they could be based upon either with or without the notch.

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