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    OK, it's an "Iron Duke" after all!

    I was mistaken with Canadaicon - the derrick in the photo is in front of the rear funnel, whereas on Canada it was behind the front funnel.



    It's an "Iron Duke" with an later rear mast (searchlights?) installed- see this clip

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    I ruled out the Canadaicon pretty early. The Canada did not have a rear casement gun.

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    If the photo wasn't taken in the Suez Canal or on the route back to London docks in 1914, from Australiaicon, then the photo was likely taken from somewhere around the UKicon. As far as I am aware my Grandfather didn't leave the UK again until after WW2.

    The photo could have been taken anywhere along the route home. I suggested the Suez Canal because looking at the original image through a magnifying glass the sloping banks look "man-made", like what is seen on canals.

    As an aside on the journey out to Australia in 1911 the voyage went round the cape, the long way round, and therefore my Grandfather only made one transit of the Suez Canal on the way back to the UK.

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    I'm going to throw this out there but it's something that popped into my head almost right away. I'm thinking this photo was probably taken after the war. I'm having trouble with someone getting film developed that had a photo of a battleship during wartime and there not being any consequences, at least confiscation of the photo. Second to that is I find it unlikely that during wartime, not matter where they were they would have the sun shades up cluttering the decks. I have no idea what Englandicon's censorship rules were in WWI so I could be off base here but it's worth considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn243 View Post
    I'm going to throw this out there but it's something that popped into my head almost right away. I'm thinking this photo was probably taken after the war. I'm having trouble with someone getting film developed that had a photo of a battleship during wartime and there not being any consequences, at least confiscation of the photo. Second to that is I find it unlikely that during wartime, not matter where they were they would have the sun shades up cluttering the decks. I have no idea what Englandicon's censorship rules were in WWI so I could be off base here but it's worth considering.
    I agree.
    Given that all 4 of the Iron Duke Class were not operating in home waters from the end of WW1 until returning to the Home Fleet in 1926, it would date the photo to between 1926 and 1929.
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    "I'm having trouble with someone getting film developed that had a photo of a battleship during wartime and there not being any consequences, at least confiscation of the photo. Second to that is I find it unlikely that during wartime, not matter where they were they would have the sun shades up cluttering the decks. "

    Good arguments!

    Plus, as mentioned before, the rear mast with searchlights was a later addition. It is not shown in the 1919 Jane's.
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    Most of the photos in the album appear to have been taken in the 1920's and one of the places that my Grandmother did like visiting during that timeframe for her holidays, with her family, was Looe in Cornwall. Looe is only about 20 miles west of Plymouth and driving from Essex which they did, rather than take the train, would take them very close to Devonport.

    Would the sun shades be up in home waters? One thing that the UKicon tends not to have a lot of is sun.
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    Far out F10 we got plenty of sun here what! As its now summer were already in the low 40'sC with the hottest months to come late Jan early Feb can see temps down here at 42-44C up North places like Marble Bar & Telfer can get to 50C+ with nights in the 40's C

    I looked at Janes WWI P#37 cannot say whether its an Iron Duke or the Canadaicon with whats been said the interwar years saw vessels modified as they found what worked and did not work no doubt the books did not change the only way I can see this getting cleared up get onto Lloyds of London to see if they have any pic's or silhouette of those ships at that time worth a shot much easier for those in the Old country that an antipodian like me trying.

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    It is NOT, I repeat, NOT the Canadaicon.

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    Well A one thing we will agree on its a ship but which ship bit like the lost question to the answer 64 ! Arthur Dent did not know the answer either!!

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