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help with carcano markings
i recently picked up what i believe is a carcano 91/24 TS. i've had some luck with identifying marks but there's still some i can't find information on(how hard is it to hold a punch straight?)
i'm mainly looking for the underbarrel marks and anything wrong with what i have so far. i'd appreciate any information on this.
what i've found so far: carcano 91/24 TS Terni made in '17 reworked in '25. 6.5x52 carcano, appears to have been reworked once, 1st revision? maybe 2nd
only legible markings i can find on the stock is the SN which matches the receiver. import markings from PW arms in Redmond.
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12-25-2020 06:20 AM
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The SG is an inspectors stamp, the crossed rifles are generally accepted to mean the rifle is a bit more accurate than the average but this is not definitive, The third mark I believe is a 2/3's struck Savoy crest but as the top is missing, kind of hard to tell for sure. The rest are just various inspectors marks that meant something to them but the meaning to us is lost. The Z is possibly interesting but as it looks to be lacking an A and an F on each side of it, probably just an inspectors mark. AZF indicates captured by Austria
, usually returned after the war. Pretty sure that isn't what this one is.
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34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini
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The crossed rifles have nothing to do with accuracy , it means the rifle received a total inspection when built . It was done every now and then during production , or if something changed .
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Do I see a ROCCA ON THE COCKING-PIECE? - if so, then it is a subcontractor's stamp from WWII. Could be a replacement part.
If it's ROSCA, I haven't a clue!
Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 12-26-2020 at 05:36 PM.
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Last edited by tommylotto; 12-28-2020 at 08:56 PM.
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Looks like a 91/24 to me with that long rear sight base, and the 17 on the receiver where the year of manufacture normally is - I would assume it's a 1917 build.
Terni rifles built in 1917 ran from serial #DF643 to TN9794.
Last edited by Sherlock913; 06-27-2021 at 04:43 PM.
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Mostly for my own entertainment and education, I decided to examine the markings picture by picture and note my observations. Take my notes as somewhat educated speculation and not the definitive word on anything.
Picture 1 - The 6 over 16 is in a place that is often used for the month and year of manufacture. In this case, I would think June of 1916, except the date on top is 1917, and the serial number places somewhere in the middle of 1917 too. Maybe just unknown machine codes.
Picture 2 - The “FARE” in the oval marking stands for Fabrica Armi Regio Esarmy. The 25 is the year the rifle was converted to the 91/24 at the Terni arsenal. The “17” is the original long rifle production year. The asterisk indicates excessive wear which led to the barrel being reworked.
Picture 3 - various machining markings that were meaningful at the time, but lost to history.
Picture 4 - “SG” is likely an inspector mark for Sergio Galasi. Crossed rifles indicate that the rifle was test fired and met performance standards, not necessarily any more accurate than any other. Estimates are that approximately 10% were tested. The 3rd mark looks like the Savoy Crest. The “FP” on the other barrel facet is the steel supplier code. In this case, Ferriere Piemontesi.
Picture 5 - ROCCA is a fairly common small parts manufacturer. They also made bayonets.
Picture 6 - The apparent “2” could mean this was a headspace correction bolt. They may have ranged from 1-5 with the precise measurements unknown.
Picture 7 - My guess, based on the shape, is this was a Terni stamp with a crown above the letters “TNI” inside a circle.
Picture 8 - “LZ” is likely an inspector mark.
Picture 9 - I can’t make out the detail of the stock cartouche, but the general shape would lead me to believe it once read “Fabbrica D’Armi R.E. Terni Transformazione” with a year date of repair.
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Originally Posted by
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Picture 2 - The “FARE” in the oval marking stands for Fabrica Armi Regio Esarmy.
I can’t figure out how to edit my post to fix my auto correct mistakes, but FARE stands for Fabbrica d’Armi Regio Esercito, or Royal Army Arms Factory.
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