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    CMP Garands...still worth the wait!

    CMPicon is pretty backed up these days. With all that's going on, back in late oct. I decided that one Garandicon isn't enough, and I should get a couple more so my kiddos have a chance to cherish one when they are older and the rifles are all gone.
    Weird things going on... the CMP forum no longer takes my password, can't reset it as it won't send the email, and can't create a new account since it won't send the confirmation email either. Sent a note to the support folks, but I'm too excited to wait and post there! They are almost here! Also weird, I never got the "Don't bother us" email. My order magically showed up in the store yesterday, credit card charged on Thursday. Just to check all was well, I placed an order for a couple bayonets and books on the estore. Went through just fine and I got the confirmation email in a few seconds...same email as I use in the forum.



    Now to the point...I'm excited to work up some low-recoil plinking loads for the kids. I don't cast (yet, and probably not for a few years). I read H4895 is great for this, but don't have any and will likely not be able to get it. I'll have to use IMR4064, since I have plenty of it. There is a proven reloads service rifle article http://www.provenreloads-handloads.c...ce-rifle-loads that says just lighter weight projectiles will do the trick. I'll start with that, along with min. powder weight reported in my manuals. Hornady's manual goes much lighter than my others. You may possibly save me powder in these times while it's scarce and rationed by sharing what you've already discovered?

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    They came!!!!! I'll post plenty of pictures over in the Garandicon forum as I clean and inspect. One has a very tight fitting original stock - outline of cartouche is good but letters are obscure, otherwise they probably would have put it on a higher than service grade rifle.

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    Cast bullets in "high-intensity" cartridges are a bit dubious; MUCH more so in gas-operated goodies like the Garandicon.

    Like ALL military rifles, the Garand was tuned to the ammo du jour, which was microscopically standardized and made in the billions.

    "Mild" loads, jacketed or not, may not reliably cycle the action. Cast bullets will leave metal fouling in the barrel and make a mess of your gas system.

    Just because you may not see the bore fouling, does not mean it is not there. ONE jacketed round after a few dozen cast ones can lead (so to speak) to a disaster for your barrel. The jacketed bullet will bulldoze up the thin film of deposited "lead" until it gets to the point that the bore pressure will overcome the resistance and the bullet will shove the lead SIDEWAYS. VOILA! Instant bore bulge (AND slight deflection "bend"). I've seen it happen in two expensive, non-gas-operated rifles; a SiG AMT and an HK. VERY nasty.

    If you intend to seriously shoot cast bullets, invest in a serious "de-leading" kit. Alternate plan: look into the "budget' Totally Plated bullets as per Berry's. You may find a happy medium there without risking your barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz View Post
    "Mild" loads, jacketed or not, may not reliably cycle the action. Cast bullets will leave metal fouling in the barrel and make a mess of your gas system.
    Not even a doubt. This is all fact. They were meant for full power loads, you could do a single shot thing for the youngsters... Jackets might be advisable though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    you could do a single shot thing for the youngsters
    It's not just for the youngsters...but for the brass misers too. It's hard to pickup brass at my indoor range, so I use an adjustable gas lock screw to prevent cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgross View Post
    an adjustable gas lock screw to prevent cycling.
    That'll work. You can make a block to fit inside the clip and load one at a time or make a "Holbrook" device... You know. M1 Garand Thumbsaver (Holbrook) | M1 Thumbsavers

    Or make one of these... M1 garand 8 round ORDNANCE - U.S. Militaria Forum
    Regards, Jim

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    https://www.ammogarand.com/m1-garand...ngle-lae1.html
    a great $10 investment for the purpose.
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    M1icon Garand Thumbsaver (Holbrook) | M1 Thumbsavers
    A $75 way to skin the cat I suppose. Then again the adjustable plug is $40 and you don't need it anymore with one of these.

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    M1 garand 8 round ORDNANCE - U.S. Militaria Forum
    No this is very interesting, and under thought for the purpose. I bet it appeared on the budget right next to the pentagon's $5000 toilet seats.

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    I was suggesting making one of those, never pay that much.
    Regards, Jim

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    Didn't they have better use for a solid block of aluminum? Like aircraft wings maybe? My grandparents told stories of scrounging scrap from the non-burnables garbage dump in the middle of the woods behind their house.
    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    I was suggesting making one of those, never pay that much.
    is it just a little spring, and a recess added for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgross View Post
    is it just a little spring, and a recess added for it?
    Yes, and cut the long leg off.

    Personally I'd do the wooden block fitted inside the clip with the groove at top.
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