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    GERMAN BMW R12 PANZER DIVISION EASTERN FRONT

    Interesting photo of exhausted Wehrmacht troopers travelling in convoy on a BMW R12 and sidecar of the 2nd Motorcycle Infantry Company, 8th Panzer Division, somewhere on the Eastern Front in 1941.

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    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    I'm near the end of finally reading Guderian's 'Panzer Leader' he published in 1952. (Covid is good for something) The Barbarossa op was one of those cluster/gaggle things you hear so much about pretty much from the start in June of '41. Primarily caused by interference from the Germanicon General Staff. Hitler didn't start screwing things up until a bit later. I'd have to look to see where 8 Panzer Div was working. I think it was under Heinz who was boss of 2 Panzer Army in the Central Army Group.
    Logistics was nearly non-existent and not just because of the rail road gauges. A lack of logistics combined with repeated changes in orders and objectives from the 'armchair', political, generals.
    And then it all went down hill when the weather got wet in the Fall. Heinz talks of a sea of mud over the entire theatre. Nothing moved. Not even the bikers. There were no paved roads and no trucks anyway. Wheeled vehicles couldn't go anywhere and neither could tracked vehicles. Plus they were dealing with miles and miles and miles of distances. Supply depots were hundreds of miles behind the troops.
    Oh and the "bikers" were the Panzer Div Recce guys.
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    That is some good reading! I read most of those books from Germanicon soldiers in German, and the way they write tells lots of things. Also Manstein is a must read one!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    I'd have to look to see where 8 Panzer Div was working. I think it was under Heinz who was boss of 2 Panzer Army in the Central Army Group.
    8th was Army Group North in 1941, and part of the push through the Baltic states towards Leningrad.

    It didn't transfer to Army Group Centre until the winter of '42/43.
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    "...8th was Army Group North..." Yep. Heinz did mention 'em taking some Russianicon city and that was all. S'why I recognized 'em.
    Heinz's hard cover book was published in 1952. Apparently it's worth $100. The paper back, also published in 1952, is worth $1400. My stuff keeps getting more and more expensive. Gotta make a list with values for 3when I'm shot by a jealous husband at 100. snicker. Nobody I know has any clue about the value of my stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    Heinz's hard cover book was published in 1952. Apparently it's worth $100. The paper back, also published in 1952, is worth $1400.
    Why is that?

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