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    Mew member: looking for help with my recently acquired Savage No4Mk1T

    Hello Iím a new member this is my first post. I purchased a 1941 Savage No4mk1T that was sporterized. Iím 50% done with the restoration, waiting for cheek piece to some in. I need to put a scope mount and scope onto it. Original Pads are installed and in good condition. Iíve found 3 repro mounts in my price range. 2 are from eBay and 1 is from accumounts.



    https://www.ebay.com/itm/363261485060
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/193515607480
    https://www.accumounts.com/mobile/enfield-303.html

    Are any of these 3 scope mounts good quality? Only Reproduction scopes seem to be only available from numrich so thatíll have to do.

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    Depends on whether you want to shoot it or just display it? If the former you need to buy a bracket that will collimate within acceptable limits and there is no better than Roger Payneicon's mounts (as I'm sure many members will vouch for the quality of his mounts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathatbat View Post
    Only Reproduction scopes seem to be only available from numrich so that’ll have to do.

    If you are looking to actually shoot it, then you may be better advised to wait a bit longer and build up you cash and buy an original.
    The repro ones from all 3 (?) Far East suppliers are of variable quality and have been known to loose zero after every shot, they are not 'shock-proof'.

    There is a very skilled gentleman in Canadaicon (and also of this forum) by the name of 'Wheaty' (Warren Wheatfield) who has had success in rebuilding these repro scopes so they are usable. The question is do you want to buy a repro then ship it off to have it disassembed and rebuilt using 'good' components and take another hit on costs.

    You could message him and ask for his advice on which (if any) to buy.

    Only you can decide how to proceed.
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    In my Experiance Roger Payneiconís mounts are excellent, I have a couple. RSM make some great repro scopes, but nothing can replace an original. If you can bare the wait, hold off till you find a nice original Mk3. If not, grab an RSM as a temporary offering. I have a made up t which has original pads, RSM mount and mk2 scope, is works, infact it will be down the range tomorrow to be shot alongside my No.4 Mk1 (t) savage. Sadly the real t has a miss matched scope, but it still collimates but It still collimates perfectly with one of Rogerís mounts.

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    Being a Stevens-Savage, your rifle is almost certainly a 1941 or 1942 dated rifle. If there is no "T" on the left side of the body, by the ejector screw and if there is no serial number for a telescope on top of the butt, just below the cocking piece, then it is one of the many unfinshed No. 4 Mk. I (T. LES TELESCOPE) or No. 4 Mk. I* (T. LESS TELESCOPE) rifles. Nice rifles and usually not heavily used.
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    May of the early rifles are pre standardisation of the T by the ejector screw. Typically they still have the scope number on the wrist and often have a t on the top right rear of the receiver, by the back of the bolt track.

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    I would agree. Many of the very early rifles (1941 & 42 dated Mk1's) were scoped up; most of the 'less telescope' rifles being later (relatively speaking) Mk1*'s, although that is a generality, admittedly, & some Mk1* T rifles definitely were scoped up. Most also don't have the usual side wall T because they were converted before the marking system became standardised in later 1943.
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    I own one of Rogerís mounts along with a No 32 Mk3 scope he rebuilt. Even though I havenít been able to put everything together due to work getting in the way, I will say the quality of his work is excellent and he is a great guy to deal with.
    He was selling off his last batch of mounts and told me he isnít making them anymore last time I spoke with him (hint hint).

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    You are very kind gents. I have indeed decided after thirty one years to stop doing the No32 brackets, although I will continue to do small runs of other stuff, such as WW1 sniper mounts. I have two brackets left, although they will not be available for sale for a week or two as my compressor that runs my bead blasting cabinet is knackered. I have a new one on order, but it'll take a little time. Anyway, I can't come anywhere near the price of the cheapies from the Far East, but all the same mine always seem to have sold. There are somewhere between six hundred & seven hundred of them scattered about the four corners of the planet!

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    For cost comparison, on Gunstar [a UKicon site] there's a " excellent original WW2 1944 dated No.32 MK II Telescopic sight with original mount" for £2200 [$3035].
    A Red Star Mountain scope and bracket on their website sells for $595 [£432].
    So the difference between original and repro is £1768 [$2438].
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