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    I suppose one could say this topic has been talked about since the 1890's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jond41403 View Post
    I would imagine an all electric military vehicle army would fare way worse against an EMP than if they drove regular vehicles. I think an all electric military is a fantasy that will never happen in our lifetimes
    I suspect you're right. Once certain "people" see the light on how much more wasteful and pollutive batteries are, both in the making and disposal of, cooler heads will prevail. Aside from quickly running out of ingredients (lithium, cobalt, nickle, etc), had a Tesla crash and burn in Houston last week that took over 30k gallons to put the fire out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RASelkirk View Post
    I suspect you're right. Once certain "people" see the light on how much more wasteful and pollutive batteries are, both in the making and disposal of, cooler heads will prevail. Aside from quickly running out of ingredients (lithium, cobalt, nickle, etc), had a Tesla crash and burn in Houston last week that took over 30k gallons to put the fire out...

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    there were statistics out a few years ago that merely manufacturing a Honda Prius consumed more energy and created more pollution than the completed manufacture and combined lifetime fuel & oil consumption of a US military HMMV ("Hummer")...

    Unraveling the Hummer vs. Prius cost/pollution analysis
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    I suppose one solution may be to develop a range of self contained, portable, charging stations that one could deploy to the battlefield and allow the Challenger 2 - E. to break-off engaging the enemy and come in for it's 8 hour charge. The only problems would be the pollution caused by the diesel engine or gas turbine engine used to power the charging station and one may need to request a local ceasefire if all or most of one's armoured vehicles need charging at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I suppose one solution may be to develop a range of self contained, portable, charging stations that one could deploy to the battlefield and allow the Challenger 2 - E. to break-off engaging the enemy and come in for it's 8 hour charge. The only problems would be the pollution caused by the diesel engine or gas turbine engine used to power the charging station and one may need to request a local ceasefire if all or most of one's armoured vehicles need charging at the same time.
    Green vehicles and energy is not as environmentally friendly as we are being led to believe.
    I wouldn't even bother with shooting at the vehicles at first - go for the charging stations and crew.

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    tech is not there yet. only way to do it, would be smaller quick change batteries. that way you just hot swap batteries when u need to "refuel" think like a cordless drill. the battery would have to be able to run a vehicle fully loaded for 300 miles. and couldn't weight more then what 1 person could change out (say 50-60 lbs). i can see something like this being useful and better then fuel. logistically it would be easier to transport the batteries then fuel since it would be lighter and take up less capacity. and if there was a way a Field Support Battalion could recharge them off the local grid, it would lighten the logistical burden even more. unfortunately the tech is not there to accomplish this, and i dont see it happening for a long time.

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    only problems would be the pollution caused by the diesel engine or gas turbine engine used to power the charging station
    we can go green with that too, go with a small nuke generator. there are some very promising ones in the work. you can have a generator the size of a small conex that will power a city block. and the US army are looking at them to power FOBs. use some pebble bed, helium reactors and the radiation threat if hit is not to bad.

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    Pollution can't be OUR fault totally, which is where all this alternative energy stuff has been driven from.
    I can remember London in the 60's where you couldn't see your hand in front of your face caused by chimney smog for most of the winter.........a bit like China and India are today.

    Until EVERY country abides by some form of output restriction on their fossil useage, we will be going round in circles for at least another 30-50 years, until electric vehicles become affordable to everybody, IF thats what the climate change people want!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I suppose one solution may be to develop a range of self contained, portable, charging stations that one could deploy to the battlefield and allow the Challenger 2 - E. to break-off engaging the enemy and come in for it's 8 hour charge. The only problems would be the pollution caused by the diesel engine or gas turbine engine used to power the charging station and one may need to request a local ceasefire if all or most of one's armoured vehicles need charging at the same time.
    I was just thinking that if people thought gasoline powered Shermans' "brewed up" too easily, they haven't seen anything yet...

    Quote Originally Posted by RASelkirk View Post
    I suspect you're right. Once certain "people" see the light on how much more wasteful and pollutive batteries are, both in the making and disposal of, cooler heads will prevail. Aside from quickly running out of ingredients (lithium, cobalt, nickle, etc), had a Tesla crash and burn in Houston last week that took over 30k gallons to put the fire out...

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    Watch a Chieftain on cold start if you want a very big smoke screen for at least 10 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Watch a Chieftain on cold start
    Saw lots in Suffield thanks, fog off the laager for a half hour on a chilly prairie morning. Made brekky taste different too.
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