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    I'd contact a trustworthy Midway buyer who received a Quality hardware trigger group but needed a Winchester one to trade/cash trade..
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    I'd contact a trustworthy Midway buyer who received a Quality hardware trigger group but needed a Winchester one to trade/cash trade..
    Nope. I don't want to "correct" it. I won't do that to my M1icon as I am keeping it as it left service and I got it. The only guns I have done that to are a couple of my BPD service revolvers that someone changed grips or were missing the knob on the extractor push and changing springs on a 1911 and a Luger

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    Anyone who's been in the service or done serious hunting will not use a weapon without a sling. It provides a hands free condition and gives any off hand or unsupported shooting an extra level of accuracy. Rules that make hunting work: Never buy the same ground twice, walking on a slope, always have the weapon in the lower hand, sometimes you need to sling arms and just climb, always have your weapon with you.

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    I was in the service but only used a 1911 the entire time. I was a US Navy Photographer 1972-1976

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Cartwright View Post
    Nope. I don't want to "correct" it. I won't do that to my M1icon as I am keeping it as it left service and I got it. The only guns I have done that to are a couple of my BPD service revolvers that someone changed grips or were missing the knob on the extractor push and changing springs on a 1911 and a Luger
    You are assuming again. The police probably swapped wrong parts around just as likely as anybody. Midway lied that these aren't refurbed or even refinished. There's no getting around that.

    I've been one of the only people who points out how everybody gets holy about how rebuilt Carbines from an armory, but nobody respects the same type of imports and just parts them out. Well, maybe this crop of imports will be different. I don't think it will though. It's an import with a story that got debunked right off. I remember being almost the only one exposing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenOC View Post
    You are assuming again. The police probably swapped wrong parts around just as likely as anybody. Midway lied that these aren't refurbed or even refinished. There's no getting around that.

    I've been one of the only people who points out how everybody gets holy about how rebuilt Carbines from an armory, but nobody respects the same type of imports and just parts them out. Well, maybe this crop of imports will be different. I don't think it will though. It's an import with a story that got debunked right off. I remember being almost the only one exposing this.
    You are probably correct. I mostly know about the Boston Police Dept and their armorers. They stamped B.P.D. and rack numbers on two of the S&W Victory models that BPD got, they did it so hard that they bent the backstraps. They also when the dept needed snubbies cut down 4" barrels to 2" both those are documented (they even recrowned the barrels). I have a S&W pre-Model 45 (.22 LR) one of 25 guns the dept got that is part of a limited run by S&W of a total of 6 inch barrels ever made in the "Post Office" model, extremely rare (check the S&W catalog) and the cylinder belongs to another of the BPD pre-model 45's, they took them apart and putting them back together weren't careful at all. The serial number on the cylinder is from another of the BPD pre-model 45's.

    what I am getting at is that departments change things around, so I am sure the Italians probably did, but I know the M1icon's are as they came from Italyicon.

    However that being said if I ever track down the other pre-45 would I get the person who has it to swap cylinders? I would. The problem is that there are only 2 other guns still known, although I heard a rumor that there is one existing in SE Massachusetts, but that was just a rumor. It is interesting having 1 of 3 guns known ever made by S&W in that configuration.

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    So many rare Carbines and M1A1icon are monkeyed with. Irwin Pedersens are frequently poorly corrected. It wouldn't be so bad that they're messed with. But it's that Saginaw S'G' Carbines get destroyed for a corrected IP. I can't do it, but even people who post here have stripped them to build an IP or two.
    The last Saginaw I bought lost it's stock, flip and safety. Makes me wonder if it was sacrificed to IP.
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    I am not going to monkey with my stocks, may only wipe them down to gently clean them. I will start another thread about my Gibbs 03A4 with new CMPicon stock that I want to add color and RLO to but even that one I don't want to mess up. I think and this may be crazy but I think I will buy a raw carbine stock from Fulton and use that to learn finishing.

    this repro 03a4 (orig 03a3) doesn't seem to have anything on it and the carbine in the second pic is a fake gun but using a repro stock, the others are parade guns




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    of all those rifles, I wonder how many failed the background check or otherwise were sent back. maybe more will pop up.



    ---------- Post added at 07:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:44 PM ----------

    they just started selling what looks like all the magazines too. when I looked last week midwayusa had none. now that have NOS in originall packaging for $50, and various used.

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