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    577/450 and 297/230 Rook

    My photo shows a 577/450 carbine cartridge, a 297/230 Rook and a very early 577/450 coiled cartridge - which did not work out too well in the Gatling guns from what I understand.



    I may be wrong on the identification of the Rook cartridge ?

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    Kynoch 577/450

    The Rooks correct have a few of them the coiled cartridge is it a Kynoch!
    You can tell by near the base look for a small oval shaped window (Inspection Hole) this was purposefully put there so they could check that the lower coil had been completed.
    If there was no hole then that's how you ID K cartridges of the era & type.

    Here are two of the type the Kynoch one is on the Rt as you can see the inspection port the other has no hole.
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    A .600 Nitro should still fetch $75-$125, and a good .700 can bring perhaps up to $200. Unfortunately, I think most .700s were made up for collectors, not real rifle owners/shooter.

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    Schuler V Gibbs

    Here is the 505 Gibbs (Left round) against the 11.2mm x 72mm Schuler obviously the Gibbs is way bigger I don't think I have a Jefferies 404 will have to dig out my NE's. Stay tuned.
    From my foggy memory I think the Gibbs 505 is the largest round you can actually get into a bolt gun of any of the known manufacturers mostly I think they went into the Mauser type actioned rifles.
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    A Metric Oldie

    11.2 X 62R lead projectile
    303 for scale
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    505 Gibbs in a M1917

    Maynard Buehler manufactured his own scope mounts, which were excellent. To prove that his mounts would always hold their zero and would move under strong recoil, he built up a 1917 Enfield. He installed a 505 Gibbs barrel which was 18 inches long and the magazine would hold three rounds. He used this 505 Gibbs rifle in his advertising in the American Rifleman magazine to prove his mounts would not move under extreme recoil

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    Metric 7mm

    7mm Kynoch
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    smaller caliber metrics

    Here are some smaller calibers from Europe


    left 5,6x57 RWS 7x57R 7x65R 7x61 S&H 8x51 DWM 8x57R 8x60R



    the 8x51mm is quite old

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    RCS the 8 X 60R is that the H mantle projie.

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    8x60R and a Peters 30-06 with belted bullet

    Yes, I believe it is the old style H Mantle bullet and has been replaced by RWS with a newer design.

    I found a 30-06 cartridge in my collection loaded by Peters (Remington purchased Peters in 1934) with a special compound bullet construction with an added band swaged around the bullet jacket to control expansion. bullet is 30 cal and at 225 grs introduced during 1934 and lasted to WW2. Hunters reported excellent results

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