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    First time poster with a question

    Im hoping to join the Lee Enfield enthusiast ranks and am looking at this rifle, i cant make heads or tails of it. So i could use some advice as to proceed or not? Many tahnks.

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    It looks to be a nicely preserved rifle - presumably you have identified the markings so know its history ?
    It started life as a No4 Mk1 rifle, which then went back to the factory for a 'rebuild & update' (called an FTR = Factory Thorough Repair) where it was brought up to the latest specification with trigger modifications, it then became a No4 Mk1/2

    After its military life, it has had a civilian life of target shooting (hence the target rear sight and the 'regulated by Fultons marking)

    Is it worth it ?
    Depends on what the asking price is.
    Depends on the woodwork being undamaged
    Depends on if everything is 'tight'
    Depends on the condition of the bore

    In the UKicon the retail price for the rifle would be around Aus$ 1100 and the target rear sight would add another Aus$ 300
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    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Your rifle was converted from the wartime no 4 Mk1 to the Mk2 standard, trigger not hung from the trigger guard but the body. Subsequently Fultons in the UKicon, a company noted for its quality work on LE rifles for competition use, worked on it to prepare it for competitions in the UK. Thus the target rear sights, expensive in their own right. Barrel could be a wartime two groove or newer. Two groove should be just as accurate as the five groove barrels.

    All other things being equal, such as mentioned in the previous post, it should be a good buy.

    More photos would result in a better answer, eg the swivel on the trigger guard was added for competition use. Full length of both sides, bore photo, right side of the action, bolt handle bottom, etc.

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    I have that rear sight on my P14 and it is a real pleasure to use.
    When I bought my rifle, everybody stressed the fact that the sight by herself would be half the price of the rifle.
    Can you test the gat before buying?
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    Diomed, I would be interested to know if the foresight is the standard blade with the normal foresight protectors either side or whether somebody has fitted a foresight tunnel?
    Mick

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    Diomed, It looks like it has a number "0" bolt head too - they typically range in size going up from 0 to 3. Not definitive of course but a good indicator of plenty of life left in the rifle.

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    WL = Wilkinson Ltd
    VNS = Viners Ltd, Sheffield Englandicon (N79)
    N49 = H. Morris & Co. Ltd., Glasgow

    Source ~ The Broad Arrow MkII

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    I don't remember ever seeing exactly those markings on a Mk.I/2 conversion: too deep and too neat, and no mention of where and when the work was done.

    Is this perhaps a conversion done in the civilian world?

    No serial on the butt socket seems a bit odd too.
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    My thoughts too. The original maker's marks have been linished off, but if someone can recognize the examiner's mark on the top of the receiver ring we might still be able to do ID the factory. I can't remember what the examiner's number(s) was/were off the top of my head for Maltby, & am not in a postion to look at my examples till later today, although from the general looks of the receiver it looks most likely it was a Faz or BSA Shirley. In that event it would be possible to distinguish between the two by a quick look at the draws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    I don't remember ever seeing exactly those markings on a Mk.I/2 conversion: too deep and too neat, and no mention of where and when the work was done.

    Is this perhaps a conversion done in the civilian world?
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    My thoughts too.
    Giving it some thought and desperately trying to remember some images lost when my "new" computer went tits up I'm leaning towards AJ Parker rather than Parker-Hale.
    Fultons could also be in the frame for this given that at some time they either tweaked the rifle for a customer or did the complete conversion work themselves.
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