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    Quote Originally Posted by arcamm View Post
    How would you rate your barrel
    Little? the tool marks and drilling chatter are still pretty pronounced, and there was no copper in any of it. Contrast with my Italianicon carbine from Midway this year, https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....l=1#post501062
    I think that one was shot more. However the finish on the barrel of this Classic is maybe 20%, and the midway one is near 100%.
    I've seen similar on my several CMPicon garlands. Sometimes the field grade has a much better barrel that's been shot less than the service grade, just less original finish left.
    Maybe they super cleaned bores in Ethiopia after firing? doubtful. or maybe they did at the govt. refurb at SAA? If so, then the finish wear happened before it was left in a lend/lease crate and forgotten about.

    I need to pick up a good muzzle wear gauge. Been on my list of a while. That will give you (us) the best idea of how much these were used.

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    I'm not an expert on carbine barrels and I don't mean to hijack your thread, but when I bought mine, I wasn't expecting anything but heavily used rifle. When I looked down the bore, I first thought it was worn smooth, but after I ran some patches down the barrel and removed about a half pound of Ethiopian topsoil, It looked much better. In fact, like yours. I posted on another forum and was told that it didn't look like it was fired much (if at all). I don't have an erosion gauge either, but mine will take a .300 pin gauge and will only take about 3/4" of a .301. It won't take .302 at all. Maybe they just set the carbines to Ethiopia and no ammo. My stock looks like it was used more as a club!

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    not hijacked at all. Did yours have a mismatched stock too? Barrel and receiver are about all the underwood I got.

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    Mine has a M2 stock with both pieces stamped "IO". No cartouche, a "P" stamped on the hand grip and a "MR" refurb stamp on the left side. It looks like it was cleaned by beating it on a sharp rock. No cracks that I've found so far.

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    I think that a lot of this stuff has to do with war time production. They were slamming these things out maybe 1,000 a day in some instances. Barrels were the big hang up. Inland was asking Ordnance if it was OK to use barrels that weren't perfect and they said "Yes". My Inland is an almost new example 8/44 barrel. It looks like a Colt 45 barrel, very shallow rifling. Looks like it was shot a lot and it was shot very little. NPM was using anything they could get until IBM sent them a bunch of really nice barrels in spring of 44.

    If you read "The River and the Gauntlet" by SLA Marshall at the end he spends some time with Ethiopian soldiers and they were probably the best, most well trained and effective troops in Korea. It goes without saying that they probably had excellent rifle care, Marine Corp quality rifle care. I had a friend who was stationed in Ethiopia for several years in the Army. He told me that if you deserted from their army, they cut one of your legs off. Ethiopian air marshals would respond to hijackers by gathering towels and slitting the throats of the terrorists right on the airplane. They didn't have any hijacked airliners after that. Historically: Read "The Blue Nile" by Alan Moorehead, a fabulous read.

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    I would agree about fast production and the reduction of quality control. Defiantly as far as ascetics go. My barrel is an Underwood stamped 3-44. It looks like it was only rough cut and never finished. Inside and out.
    As long as it goes bang when you pull the trigger. The GI that steps around a corner and is standing face to face with an enemy isn't too concerned with the fact that is rifle might be over 2 MOA.

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    Just received a Winchester from Classic that has a ventilated stock. Winchester barrel and receiver are in great shape. Bore is what i would call excellent condition? Stock would make great fire wood. Soaked in oil and beaten to death. Over all very happy.

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    Congrat. Just placed my order last week. Can't wait to lay my hands on it

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