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    L42a1

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/926918112
    I was looking at this listing and the transit chest looks to me like it was made up by someone, bogus.

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    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

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    I agree. Case does look off. The external reinforce wood looks too thick, and the interior looks replaced.

    I was more concerned that rifle is wearing an L39A1 forend (rear cross-screw, A-prefix 3-digit serial number).

    It'll be interesting to see what it brings.

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    Yes, I would concur about the chest. The labels look like photocopies to me. The very last photo (126) in the montage shows a slightly wavy edge suggesting it was cut out using scissors. The labels also all look too perfect, with no greasy marks or minor tears to the edges. Additionally, all of the original chests that I have seen (& none of us have seen them all, I know) have had nicely executed dovetail jointed corners. This is just straight edge screwed & glued.

    Agree also about the incorrect forend. Some Mk2 forends did get fitted later on due to shortages of good original Mk1 woodwork, but they were retro-modified for the tie plate.

    I haven't had a chance to check yet to see if the rifle s/n is on 'the list' but the rifle, scope, & bracket look intrinsically ok to me, though I would not want to speculate as to whether the scope & bracket were rematched to the rifle in service or after! I'd certainly have them if they fell into my lap at the right price!!


    One other minor thing that I forgot............the bolt body at least has had a coat of suncorite after initial issue as the 19T proof mark on the bolt handle is full of black paint. I suppose that could just as easily have happened in or out of service......


    Addendum - just checked & AV3671 is indeed on the list - went out on 7th Feb 1973, which I suppose is compatible with the body wall conversion date of '72.
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    nothing on the chest looks good,,, nothing looks like the original, the original corners were finger jointed (1/4" fingers (not dove tail joints)) and the chamber stick,,,, is a stick in a block of wood!! and the scope tin has been repaired and a poor riveting job too,

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    Sorry, yes, I used the wrong word to describe the joints, they are not fan shaped like dovetails, but parallel 'fingers' as you say. There are a few late chests about that have larger 'fingers' than the norm. There were a few in evidence at Charnwood when the L42's first came in to there from Dince Hill. I liberated one & still have it in my loft somewhere........

    Yes, noticed the replacement locating spigots for the scope bracket in the tin. The repair would have looked much better with a gob of green paint over it.

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    For those interested the rifle/scope appear to be matched together. From my records the original chest sadly I did not record where I saw it (lazy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    For those interested the rifle/scope appear to be matched together. From my records the original chest sadly I did not record where I saw it (lazy).
    Lance, this chest was one of the ex Faris collecton auctioned by Poulins - you mentioned it in the thread here - https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=62695

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    For those interested the rifle/scope appear to be matched together. From my records the original chest sadly I did not record where I saw it (lazy).
    This transit chest is not with the rifle. The one with the rifle is the one that is made up.

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    Replacement Chest

    The chest that's with that rifle is so far off that it doesn't even seem to be an attempt to deceive. It's just a wooden box made up to house that particular rifle, and then painted green. There's not even a hole to secure the lens brush bottle in, nor a slot for the IWS mount. Even the barcode sticker is wrong. It's just a box.

    The sellers either didn't do their homework (meaning they're a sloppy business), or aren't being properly representing what they are selling (meaning they're a dishonest business). But the box is clearly not meant to decieve any buyer who would spend north of $5k on the rifle and scope combo, and those look to be in great shape.
    Last edited by Troglodyte; 03-27-2022 at 02:21 PM.

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    The rifle sold for US$7,755.00 with 5 bidders that took it above $5K.

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